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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,10:30   

Hmm. Dr. GH is one of my favorite crazy fuckers. So, even if he made an error of judgement, I'd still drink a fifth of whiskey and go get some expensive whores with him.

BTW, I really wasn't kidding about the post above.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,11:33   

just make sure TP is a co-author.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,11:44   

I'm totally fucking serious. Like I said. It's a little bit strange.

Especially in light of the beauties posted by other people on the web.

I expect to be wrong but I can't figure out how I'm wrong.


I'm in uncharted waters.

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When wished on the morning star
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Look what it's done so far

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skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,12:15   

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I think you may be off your mark on the blame.  Creationists rarely support animal rights, you know that whole dominion thing in Genesis.  In my experience, anytime my labs have been assualted by the animal rights' fringe those people always bore a very striking resembalnce to the global warning fringe.  Just my observation, you may want to consult with Louis since Huntington is right in his back yard.

  
skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,12:16   

lol, post it and I'm sure you'll have a multitude of people telling you how you're wrong.

  
Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,12:19   

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I take your point, but I was referring to the (apologies for correct spelling) "If we're related to monkeys, why don't you marry one, huh?" line of argumentation.

Plenty of that about.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,12:33   

Quote (DrPlausible @ June 26 2008,06:06)
Quote (Dr.GH @ June 25 2008,23:48)
Hey Dr. Plausible- Wes said that I didn't bother to carefully read your probability of abiogenesis post. He was correct. So, rather than "sick it in your ass:" you can pull it out, if you really want to that is.

Hi Dr GH,

Since it's obvious from my post that I would agree in principle to any argument put forward by any evolutionist against creationist "theories", and since it's obvious that I agree with Ian Musgrave on every point he raises EXCEPT on the question of using sequences of coin throws in order to put forward the argument for the high probability of abiogenesis — when the marginally more reality-like method of dice throws I propose yields a more plausibly GREATER probability —, I fail to see what the point was of giving me a very learned lecture and a bibliography preluded by a reference to my ass. My point was a mathematical one, arising from a concern to demonstrate a proof of abiogenesis rather than proving it, which I leave to more capable brains than mine. I bet that when you read the phrase "I beg to differ", you "saw it all", without giving me the prerogative of soft irony. I thought scientists were not supposed to jerk their knees quite so readily.

You are absolutly correct. I was in a foul mood, and I didn't bother to more than skim your post. This coupled with a 99% canned responce to abio questions and a lame attempt at 'humor' resulted in the post above.

Sorry.

I am much better now. (We had a very ill friend who frequently said this- seems appropriate.)

PS to BWE, Thanks, the booze will be more than adequate.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,12:38   

Quote (Dr.GH @ June 26 2008,12:33)
PS to BWE, Thanks, the booze will be more than adequate.

oooh, and Arden already had his lip-gloss and fancy dress on.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,12:51   

Quote (Richardthughes @ June 26 2008,10:38)
 
Quote (Dr.GH @ June 26 2008,12:33)
PS to BWE, Thanks, the booze will be more than adequate.

oooh, and Arden already had his lip-gloss and fancy dress on.

Richard, it's not my fault if you're clueless on how to accessorize.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,12:52   

Quote (BWE @ June 26 2008,11:44)
I'm totally fucking serious. Like I said. It's a little bit strange.

Especially in light of the beauties posted by other people on the web.

I expect to be wrong but I can't figure out how I'm wrong.


I'm in uncharted waters.

With Surfer Dude, no doubt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth....114.xml

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,12:56   

Well, as of now it's pretty long and it's inside the book which I hope to sell so I'd have to take it out in condensed form as a standalone. I'm guessing it would be tough to summarize in less than 20,000 words.

I don't know whether I should do it or not.

Actually, It isn't wrong. It's not the kind of thing that is wrong exactly. I just don't know if it is useful in the way that I think it is. But I've identified dozens of things that would falsify that part of it in subjects ranging from neuroscience to cognitive psych to physics and so far they turn out to be what I predicted.

The part that might make that not important is that I didn't do any of the research. I just predicted it had to be a certain way, went looking and found that it was in fact what recent research indicates.

So I might just be predicting what is predictable. But I don't think so because I was able to determine where the boundaries of the sciences would be and what results they would be getting and nailed it dead on.

If I'm right about the application, and I shit you not, It's as big of a revolution as Darwin or Copernicus.

There are lots of theories of everything out there, witness Dr.Dr.'s new co author and the internet that's full of 'em and they are crackpot each and all.

I am fully aware of that fact which is why I don't expect it to be right in it's mathematical implications But I've been trying for quite a while and I can't break it. If I could do matrix calculus and quantum physics I could actually test it mathematically.

But I don't have to for it to be right in its basic points. I have run it by a couple of people who are just as blown away as I am but the physics are at the very edge of what's possible so it needs some advanced work on that side.

Neuroscientifically I could devise tests to quantify the phenomenon too but they would be pretty involved. I've proposed one to a friend who is a psychiatrist who does some work using fMRI scans and things of that nature and he figured it would take an involved grant.

Even if the physics doesn't pan out it's still a way cool insight just with little practical value other than philosophical. Plenty good enough to sell the book. But if it is right, it's in the zeitgeist for sure and I want to somehow claim it so I don't end up selling a book about someone else's big idea.

How does one go about that? If I published it on line would that secure me the first publishing rights? Could someone come along and do a more formal paper and still submit it to a journal and get to claim it? How does that work?

It's not something I have any experience with at all. Big ideas that is. :)

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When wished on the morning star
Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it
Look what it's done so far

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,12:57   

Quote (Dr.GH @ June 26 2008,12:33)
PS to BWE, Thanks, the booze will be more than adequate.

You're calling the shots man. Just thought I'd put it out there. :)

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American Saddlebred



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,13:03   

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Quote (skeptic @ June 26 2008,12:15)
I think you may be off your mark on the blame.  Creationists rarely support animal rights, you know that whole dominion thing in Genesis.  In my experience, anytime my labs have been assualted by the animal rights' fringe those people always bore a very striking resembalnce to the global warning fringe.  Just my observation, you may want to consult with Louis since Huntington is right in his back yard.

You can't mean Huntington, West Virginia...can you?  I don't think women even have rights there yet.

Does this mean the apes are going to get lots and lots of Disorderly Conduct tickets?  How are they going to pay them?  I heard of the Scopes Monkey Trial, but geez.

   
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,13:05   

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skeptic what kind of labs do you have?  what is your profession?

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,13:34   

Quote (midwifetoad @ June 26 2008,12:52)
Quote (BWE @ June 26 2008,11:44)
I'm totally fucking serious. Like I said. It's a little bit strange.

Especially in light of the beauties posted by other people on the web.

I expect to be wrong but I can't figure out how I'm wrong.


I'm in uncharted waters.

With Surfer Dude, no doubt.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth....114.xml

Holy Fuck.
**checks to make sure it's the bathroom wall**

Not quite the same but that's one of the papers I found earlier that made me suspect I was right. 2 others are :
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Multiple-event probability in general-relativistic quantum mechanics
Frank Hellmann, Mauricio Mondragon, Alejandro Perez, Carlo Rovelli
Fakult¨at f¨ur Physik, Ludwig-Maximilians-Universit¨at, D-80799 M¨unchen EU
bCentre de Physique Th´eorique de Luminy?, Universit´e de la M´editerran´ee, F-13288 Marseille EU
February 4, 2008

and
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Matrix universality of gauge and gravitational dynamics
Lee Smolin
Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics,
31 Caroline Street North, Waterloo, Ontario N2J 2Y5, Canada
March 18, 2008


They all suggest that I'm right.

I think.

I can't do the math very well.

I've got a different thing going on but if one of them pans out, then they'll figure out my thing right away.

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When wished on the morning star
Somebody thought of that, and someone believed it
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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,13:37   

Which brings me back to my point. If I publish on-line does it mean I get to keep my idea if it's right?

(if it's wrong I'll give it to Richard or Arden. No, on second thought I'll bask in my shame)

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,13:45   

Quote (BWE @ June 26 2008,11:37)
Which brings me back to my point. If I publish on-line does it mean I get to keep my idea if it's right?

(if it's wrong I'll give it to Richard or Arden.

Dude, don't try and drag us down with you.  :angry:

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,14:35   

Quote (JohnW @ June 24 2008,14:18)
Quote (keith @ June 24 2008,09:42)
If I were riding in the same bus with that band of blasphemers and godless pagans I would be on my knees frequently.

I thought your god didn't like teh homos, keith.

But PZ and Dick to the Dawk to the PhD were sooo hawt in their music video!!!

   
BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,14:53   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ June 26 2008,13:45)
Quote (BWE @ June 26 2008,11:37)
Which brings me back to my point. If I publish on-line does it mean I get to keep my idea if it's right?

(if it's wrong I'll give it to Richard or Arden.

Dude, don't try and drag us down with you.  :angry:

Are you kidding? What credibility do I have to lose?

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skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,14:57   

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I was referring to Huntington Labs in the UK that was targeted by radical animal rights' group that ultimately culminated in a scientist being beat near to death with a bat on the front step of his flat.  At least thats how I recall it, my memory and the exact facts may not be completely in order.  At the time I was working in a preclinical CRO and we were naturally placed on high alert should similar activities cross the pond.  If I remember correctly, elf/alf claimed responsibility or were found responsible, working off recollection again, and those groups have little sympathy outside of the pacific NW.  Certainly not in fly-over country where I reside.

As far as Stevie post, well I'm not going to touch that one with a ten foot pole.

  
skeptic



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,15:32   

Having fun Lou!  You might note had you even bothered to read my post that I was responding to a direct question raised on that thread and every comment was completely in line with the topic.  Course you wouldn't know that would you, that would require both reading skills and comprehension.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,15:34   

Doesn't matter at this point, septic.

You're on The Wall.

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BWE



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,15:37   

Wow. What'd I miss?

And BTW, how does that bit about who publishes first work anyway?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,15:57   

Just spent a bit talking (OK, listening) to my daughter on the phone about The Georgia Aquarium.  She's rather taken with the place, apparently.

She's in Atlanta for the National FBLA finals this week (she's not participating, but other members of the team made it).

Somewhere in the middle of a 15 minute run-on sentence about the fish and the aquarium and the tunnel and the huge stingray and the penguins and...  was this isolated reference:

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...ohandwewenttotheCNNbuildingtoo...


It cracked me up.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,16:20   

Quote (Lou FCD @ June 26 2008,13:57)
Somewhere in the middle of a 15 minute run-on sentence about the fish and the aquarium and the tunnel and the huge stingray and the penguins and...  was this isolated reference:

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...ohandwewenttotheCNNbuildingtoo...


It cracked me up.

Tell her not to accept any more drinks from FTK.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,16:29   

Quote (JohnW @ June 26 2008,17:20)
Quote (Lou FCD @ June 26 2008,13:57)
Somewhere in the middle of a 15 minute run-on sentence about the fish and the aquarium and the tunnel and the huge stingray and the penguins and...  was this isolated reference:

 
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...ohandwewenttotheCNNbuildingtoo...


It cracked me up.

Tell her not to accept any more drinks from FTK.

My girl has much more sense than to do anything other than laugh derisively at anything offered by the likes of Ftk.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,17:07   

Looks like I'll set up office right here.  Any more questions will have to be taken with me right here by the commode.

P.S., your daughter is right, that's a pretty awesome place.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,17:10   

Quote (skeptic @ June 26 2008,18:07)
P.S., your daughter is right, that's a pretty awesome place.

She often is.  I haven't been yet, and I'm a little jealous.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,17:12   

Quote (Lou FCD @ June 26 2008,23:10)
Quote (skeptic @ June 26 2008,18:07)
P.S., your daughter is right, that's a pretty awesome place.

She often is.  I haven't been yet, and I'm a little jealous.

Right?

Badum-tssch

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,17:24   

Quote (dnmlthr @ June 26 2008,18:12)
Quote (Lou FCD @ June 26 2008,23:10)
Quote (skeptic @ June 26 2008,18:07)
P.S., your daughter is right, that's a pretty awesome place.

She often is.  I haven't been yet, and I'm a little jealous.

Right?

Badum-tssch

I needed that, thanks.

:)

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