IBelieveInGod
Posts: 68 Joined: Nov. 2010
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Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 04 2011,15:33) | Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 04 2011,14:56) | Quote (OgreMkV @ Jan. 04 2011,12:50) | Quote (khan @ Jan. 04 2011,12:45) | BTW, IBIG, could you pray to your gods concerning healing peripheral neuropathy?
I'm sure your prayers would do the trick and I promise to praise your gods of choice if I am healed. |
But see, that's why God WON'T do it.
He wants you to believe, not know. Knowing that he exists removes the belief that he feeds on.
See, apparently IBIG doesn't know theology as well as he thinks he does and he doesn't believe in God. According to IBIG, he KNOWS God exists. That's not belief buddy.
You don't have a relationship with God. He doesn't want you because you KNOW he exists instead of believing he exists.
That's the point of my question to you. If you pray for something and it happens then you LOSE YOUR FAITH in God, by definition.
God shouldn't answer any prayer, because that would be a tactic admission that He exists. So why bother praying?
BTW: You don't pray to have a personal relationship with God. You pray to get a benefit or as a public display of personal faith and piety. |
Their is a difference from believing that God exists, and having Faith and full Trust in Him. God expects us to have Faith and full Trust in Him.
Read the scripture again.
Hebrews 11:6 (New International Version, ©2010)
6 And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.[B]
God does not feed off of belief, but it is impossible to please God if we don't believe Him. You seem to think that just believing that God exists is enough to please God, but that isn't the case. Read the last part of the verse I posted "and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him." It's important that we have Faith in God, that He will provide, heal, deliver, and take care of us. That is what is meant, and not just to only believe that He exists, which is what you imply.
I could state that "I believe that coach Nick Saban exists," but that is much different then if I were to state, that "I believe that Nick Saban is a fabulous college football coach, and I have faith that He can coach His team to another national championship again in the future." There is a big difference between the two statements. |
But you don't believe God exists. You "know" he does.
Since you are using Bible verses as evidence, then we return the two previous questions:
1) Why do you not pray to heal all those with a particular affliction (you pick)? If the Bible is true and in multiple places it states that whatever is done in God's name with sufficient belief (including cursing something) will be done.
2) If those Bible verses are not correct, then which verses are correct and how do you know? In fact, how do you even know which books of the Bible are supposed to be included as canon? Why do different churches have different Bibles?
Sorry, but your faith makes no sense. |
I do know that God exists, but you are confusing knowing God exists, with believing in God, trusting that He will take care of me, trusting that He will give me eternal life, trusting that He will heal me if I need it, trusting that He will provide for me. I don't know if you have a spouse or not, but what if you didn't trust anything about your spouse? What would your relationship be like? Would your spouse be pleased?
Jesus' disciples knew He existed, but did they believe He was truly the son of God? Peter did, and Jesus told him upon this rock I will build my church.
You seem to think that God should do things to get you to know that He exists before you believe, which would go against His very will. He wants you to come to Him by faith, and then He will reveal Himself to you. If you seek Him you will find Him, but if you don't seek Him will not find Him.
As far as praying for people, you seem to think that God should answer prayers for the strict purpose of proving His existence. Well He doesn't work that way. When we pray He knows the desires of our heart, and the reason for the prayer, He also uses trials and tribulations to work and build our patience.
God is not the one on trial, we are! We are the ones who have fallen short of the glory of God, and must be born again, and live a life of loving God with all our heart, mind, body and soul, and then to love our neighbor as ourselves.
I'm sorry that you can't see how simple it is to be a child of God, how wonderful it is, and how blessed it is.
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