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Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,06:38) | Quote (The whole truth @ Oct. 15 2015,08:34) | Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 15 2015,06:09) | Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 15 2015,08:05) | Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,07:32) | Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 15 2015,06:32) | Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 15 2015,05:02) | I've watched and read all the links:
My goodness! That is not intelligence but only "instinct"! Maybe you will be surprised on how birds make their nests! You would probably call it "SUPERBIRD, HALLELUJAH!" Read my science book and see that you are totally wrong about intelligence... |
Thank you for taking the time to watch the clips. Note that I did not talk about nest building at all.
No reasonable definition of "instinct" covers the behaviors in those clips. The ONLY way you can dismiss those as instinct is to be committed a priori to conclusions that make it impossible to do a rational analysis of the evidence. Instinctive behavior means behavior that is preprogrammed, inherited, genetically hard-wired, and inflexible, and these behaviours are none of that. They are clearly learned (and your use of "instinctive learning" is a monumentally stupid self-contradiction). Even if we use your exceedingly silly and problematic idea of "it's instinctive if there are fewer than 1 (or 1.5) solutions per problem", tool use by crows clearly allows multiple solutions per problem.
Quote | I said that you are wrong since you could no longer answer that simple empirical evidence that I've shown | It is not clear that you have in fact shown any actual empirical evidence. |
My goodness,
you need to be very careful in explaining reality since if you got a mistake and people died for that mistake, you cannot help them anymore... you cannot undo!
Now, as I said that I've opened all of your links but oh my goodness, even the bodily parts of every animals could be used as tools!
Now, if an animals used sticks or stones as tools, they used them since that are their instincts...some they did, some they don't..
but look at these pics from Google..do you think that these nests are products of intelligent agents like birds? They also used tools and used materials to build the nests!
https://www.google.co.jp/search?....h2LRgkE |
Bird nests are largely instinctive and are not built with tools. We know that they are largely instinctive because all birds build nests without learning how to do it, and nest style relates to genetic inheritance. Bird nests are without doubt intricate and amazing, which is one of many reasons I said that bird instincts are sophisticated and can result in truly impressive behavior.
Also, no, by definition body parts don't count as tools unless they've been detached from the owner and are being used by somebody else.
Nonetheless, what I did show you are examples of learned behaviors, involving creating solutions to problems by using planning, reasoning, and symbolic thought. Those are not instinctive behaviors by any rational definition of the term (therefore excluding your bizarre redefinition). |
Saying something is "instinctive" is just another way of saying "we have no idea how they do it" |
Shouldn't you be saying that to Edgar Postrado?
And I'm curious, YEC joey, do you believe that there's no such thing as instinct? |
I am curious, child molesting TWiT, who cares what you post? |
Aw, little YEC joey the turd faced boy is mad because he can't have everything his way. Poor thing.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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