Joe G
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Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Mar. 01 2013,08:38) | Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 01 2013,09:10) | EvoTARDs are such a clueless lot- I blame it on Shannon and others for causing confusion over the word "information". Now evoTARDs have taken that confusion to a new level by saying IDists confuse information with meaning. Hellooooo!!! Information and meaning go hand in hand 99% of the time. Only physicists and Shannonites don't get what information means. For example: Quote | The word <em>information</em> in this theory is used in a special mathematical sense that must not be confused with its ordinary usage. In particular, information must not be confused with meaning.- Warren Weaver, one of Shannon's collaborators |
That means Shannon was the one who "redefined" information and IDists use the word in its normal/ regular/ ordinary/ sense. Is what Weaver said so difficult to understand? Kolmogorov complexity deals with, well, complexity. From Wikipedia Quote | Algorithmic information theory principally studies complexity measures on strings (or other data structures) |
Nothing about meaning, content, functionality, prescription. IOW nothing that Information Technology cares deeply about, namely functional, meaningful, and useful information. Not only Information Technology but the whole world depends on Information Technology type of information, ie the type of information Intelligent Design is concerned with. And both Creationists and IDists make it clear, painfully clear, that when we are discussing "information" we are discussing that type of information And without even blinking an eye, the anti-IDists always, and without fail, bring up the meaningless when trying to refute the meaningful. “Look there is nature producing Shannon Information, you lose!”- ho-hum.<br /> Pathetic little losers can't grasp the concept of information even though without it communication would be impossible and information technology wouldn't exist. What does wikipedia have to say about information: Quote | Information, in its most restricted technical sense, is a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequence" title="Sequence"]sequence[/url] of a class of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbols" title="Symbols"]symbols[/url] that can be interpreted as a [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message" title="Message"]message[/url]. Information can be recorded as [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sign_(semiotics)" title="Sign (semiotics)"]signs[/url], or transmitted as a class of[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(electronics)" title="Signal (electronics)"]signals[/url]. Information is any kind of a class of [url="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/event" title="wikt:event"]event[/url] that affects the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic_state" title="Thermodynamic state">state</a> of a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_system" title="Dynamical system">dynamic system</a>. Conceptually, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_content" title="Information content">information is the message</a> (utterance or expression) being <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conveyed_concept" title="Conveyed concept">conveyed</a>. The meaning of this concept varies in different contexts.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Floridi_0-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information#cite_note-Floridi-0">[1]</a></sup> Moreover, the concept of information is closely related to notions of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constraint_(information_theory)" title="Constraint (information theory)">constraint</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication" title="Communication">communication</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_system" title="Control system">control</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data" title="Data">data</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form" title="Form">form</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education" title="Education">instruction</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge" title="Knowledge">knowledge</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_(linguistics)" title="Meaning (linguistics)">meaning</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Understanding" title="Understanding">understanding</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stimulation" title="Stimulation">mental stimuli</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_theory" title="Pattern theory">pattern</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception" title="Perception">perception</a>, <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knowledge_representation" title="Knowledge representation">representation</a>, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_(information_theory)" title="Entropy (information theory)">entropy</a><br /> |
Ooops, they use the "m" word in relation to information. <br /> And in an article on Data <br /> <br /> Quote | For data to become information, it must be interpreted and take on a meaning |
Oh no, who would have thought! |
this pile of shoite is a perfect snapshot of joetard
love you, sweatheart. no other tard is so bellignorantly homoerotic. |
Typical response from an ignorant coward.
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