khan
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| Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 21 2008,20:12) | | Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Nov. 20 2008,18:00) | | Quote (Daniel Smith @ Nov. 20 2008,20:28) | | Predictions can be made from such a perspective and were made from such a position in the past. Scientists in the past expected to find order and organization at the heart of creation. |
Daniel, observing a blue sky, then stating "I would have predicted beautiful blue skies from my God centered view" is not making a prediction. Nor does it provide an explanation.
Similarly, observing the exquisite order and complexity of living organisms all around us, then stating "I would have predicted beautiful order and complexity from my God centered view" is not making a prediction. Nor does it provide an explanation.
What I am asking you for is something simple. I don't find it in your response. I asking for an empirical prediction and resulting test of said prediction that arose uniquely (or potentially could arise) from your assertion that that life is so intricately organized it requires God as its source - a test of sufficient power to falsify your hypothesis.
Something similar to the experimental tests Miller described.
I'm not asking you to "predict" things we already know. |
First off Bill, unless you start answering more of my specific arguments, I'm going to assume that the parts of my posts you snip are conceded.
Second, I am not making predictions of order, organization and complexity based on what I see in nature (this is what your side does). I am making those predictions based on what I see rational human beings doing. From a Christian perspective - where man is made "in the image of God" - I'd expect man to be something like God. Man's creations are often complex, orderly, organized and beautiful, therefore I'd expect God's creations to be the same - only orders of magnitude more advanced.
You, on the other hand, have no rational reason to predict complex organization - other than the fact that it's already here. Why can't you just be honest and admit that?
Now, I'm not smart enough to make a specific prediction about anything and then tell you how it could be empirically verified. But I have - many times on this forum - made some general predictions (some better than others) about what I'd expect science to find in future research. As anyone here can attest - these predictions are not based on my vast knowledge of science, but rather on my religious faith.
Here's an updated version of a file I had on my computer with some of my predictions on it. I posted this on the horse thread, although I've now changed some of the predictions due to my evolving view of how God might have done what he did. (Is that OK?) | Quote | Predictions
Because Evolution is proactive and not reactive:
* Organisms will show evidence of preparation for anticipated environments; rudiments of organs not yet needed will be found.
* When confronted with environmental changes, organisms will adapt using pre-existing but unexpressed features or, they will become extinct. No new features will evolve.
* Patterns and laws will be found that govern how evolution works.
* Lineages will be found to have begun before environments in which they later flourished began.
* Mass extinctions will have been preceded by the introduction of new types that would dominate the next phase in earth’s cycle.
* Organisms will be found to have begun an adaptive process for a specific feature before the specific adaptation would have been necessary for survival.
* Patterns will be found in the origin, differentiation and eventual extinction of lineages that are not dependent upon environmental factors but exist across all manner of differing environments, geographical locations, types of organisms and ages.
Genetically:
* Mathematical patterns useful for information integrity and transmission will be found in the genetic code.
* Embedded and overlapping coding will be found to be more prevalent than previously thought.
* Careful examination of genomes will find preparatory and adaptive codes “waiting in the wings” ready to be utilized in case of environmental changes - many just a frame shift away.
* Frame shifting will be found to be a more common mechanism for sudden evolutionary change than previously thought.
* Due to the fact that all organisms evolved from one or more “universal genomes”, the genomes of simpler organisms will contain large tracts of essentially useless evolutionary “leftovers”. More complex organisms will have less useless information in their genomes.
* Phylogenetic trees will produce results that will increasingly rely on gene swapping and other mechanisms that cause large scale genetic changes.
* No adequate explanation (other than design) will ever be found for the origin of life’s most basic components - i.e. protein synthesis, cell division, sexual reproduction, etc.
Universally:
* Because the earth, and the solar system were specifically designed for life, no life or signs of previous life will be found on any other planets within our field of exploration.
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| Quote | | From a Christian perspective - where man is made "in the image of God" - I'd expect man to be something like God. Man's creations are often complex, orderly, organized and beautiful, therefore I'd expect God's creations to be the same - only orders of magnitude more advanced. |
Can you explain why your fucking perfect creator came up with ulnar nerve entrapment?
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