GaryGaulin
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Since opponents are now quote mining I will post the thread to study in its entirety:
Quote | whimple, Friday, August 22, 2014 8:40:00 PM It's also worth considering what the mutation rate in a given organism is when under intense selective pressure and how much that adaptive response mutation rate with stress induced mutagenesis might differ from more typically measured values.
------------------------ Gary Gaulin, Friday, August 22, 2014 9:08:00 PM Whimple, you better watch your use of word like "stress induced mutagenesis" because from what I learned belief in such things makes you a science denying creotard IDiot who needs to go get an education.
------------------------ Chris B, Friday, August 22, 2014 10:33:00 PM Actually, there is some evidence that stress induced mutagenesis, or more precisely relaxed DNA replication proofreading happens in some prokaryotes. So whimple brings up a plausible point.
It's when you vomit nonsensical, indefensible blather like
"The lesson to be learned here is that scientific theories are not scientifically tested by repeating experiments and such, theories are now judged by a publicity contest where the most important thing is how well a researcher uses strawmen and religious stereotypes to deceive the general public."
that you might attract some ridicule.
------------------------ Gary Gaulin, Friday, August 22, 2014 11:12:00 PM Chris B, so are you are you saying that when whimple brings up "stress induced mutagenesis" it's a plausible point but where I bring up "stress induced mutagenesis" I "vomit nonsensical, indefensible blather" even though I did not say anything at all about it yet?
------------------------ Diogenes, Saturday, August 23, 2014 1:12:00 AM You did not bring up stress induced mutagenesis. Whimple did. You were mocked for your other gobbledygook comment #1.
Everybody knows about Cairnsian mutation, aka "Fred." Increasing the ERROR RATE is something your Designer would never do if randomness destroys "information."
------------------------ Gary Gaulin, Saturday, August 23, 2014 1:58:00 AM Diogenes, the theory you are trashing explains why "Increasing the ERROR RATE is" NECESSARY.
You once again proved to be a scientifically dysfunctional hypocrite.
------------------------ Diogenes, Saturday, August 23, 2014 2:28:00 AM Intelligent Design says that random mutations destroy "information" (of a kind they won't define and can't compute), but they all say random mutations decrease it.
So why would the omniscient Designer build in a system to greatly accelerate RANDOM mutations and thus intentionally decrease "information" (of the kind IDiots won't define and can't compute)?
------------------------ Chris B, Saturday, August 23, 2014 3:44:00 AM Gary, you didn't bring up stress induced mutagenesis, and then not say anything about it yet....whatever that means.
------------------------ whimple, Saturday, August 23, 2014 10:25:00 AM The term comes from the scientific literature, is perhaps best characterized in E. coli and is essentially a molecular panic button that can be pressed to compromise the fidelity of DNA replication more or less globally. It has nothing to do with "directed" or "designed" mutations. I simply point out that the 10^-10 mutation rate being discussed has the potential to be a functionally smaller value, which if anything removes some of the logical justification of Behe's argument.
------------------------ Acartia Tonsa, Saturday, August 23, 2014 10:54:00 AM D: "So why would the omniscient Designer build in a system to greatly accelerate RANDOM mutations "
Probably for the same reason that he created dinosaur bones and buried them.
------------------------ Gary Gaulin, Saturday, August 23, 2014 4:03:00 PM The "stress" is caused by "confidence" being zero. The specific memory location(s) a given stress acts upon are sometimes generalized using the phrase "mutation hotspots".
From theory:
A behavior qualifies as intelligent behavior by meeting all four circuit requirements for this ability, which are: [1] body (or modeling platform) with motor muscles (proteins, electric speaker, electronic “write” to a screen) to control, [2] memory addressed by sensory sensors where each motor action and its associated confidence value are separate data elements, [3] confidence (central hedonic, homeostasis) system that increments (stored in memory) confidence value of a successful motor action else decrements the confidence value, [4] guess new memory action when associated confidence level sufficiently decreases (and if not prerandomized motor data then when first addressed). For flagella powered cells reversing motor direction can produce a tumble to a new heading direction, guess where to go.
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-------------- The theory of intelligent design holds that certain features of the universe and of living things are best explained by an intelligent cause, not an undirected process such as natural selection.
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