N.Wells
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Quote (GaryGaulin @ Mar. 14 2015,12:00) | Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 14 2015,11:39) | Precise? Gary?
Quote | 10. Gary's claim about the content of Avida:
Quote | I modeled the common "ANN" that's also found in Avida and found that such networks are NOT intelligent.
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There is no artificial neural network in Avida, thus Gary's claim is FALSE.
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Then are you saying that the earlier mentioned link that I found at the Avida-ED website about evolving neural networks is nothing but false advertising? |
No, he's not, and only a fool determined to live in self-deception could argue for that position.
That article is not mentioned at the Avida-ED site because of its discussion of evolving neural networks, which are not relevant to Avida. Instead it is mentioned there as background, because it is by Pennock, and because it is relevant to Darwinian mechanisms making novel discoveries and the power of evolutionary computing, and that in turn is what Avida is all about. If you look really closely, you might find some clues about that, for example in the FIRST half of the title of the paper ("Can Darwinian Mechanisms Make Novel Discoveries?") and in the way the paper is mentioned on the website, specifically,
From http://avida-ed.msu.edu/informa...._2.html Quote | BACKGROUND INFORMATION
• To find out about some of the pedagogical goals of the project and the thinking that shaped the design and development of Avida-ED see:
Robert T. Pennock. "Learning Evolution and the Nature of Science using Evolutionary Computing and Artificial Life" McGill Journal of Education (Vol. 42, No. 2, pp. 211-224, 2007)
• Avida-ED is meant to be used not only to help teach about evolution, but also the nature of science. Evolution is one of the best examples for helping students understand how science works.
Robert T. Pennock. "On Teaching Evolution and the Nature of Science" In Cracraft, J. and R. Bybee (eds.). Evolutionary Science and Society: Educating a New Generation. Biological Sciences Curriculum Study, Colorado Springs, CO. (pp. 1-12, 2005)
• Avida-ED is not a simulation of evolution, but an instance of it. For a philosophical treatment of scientific models and the difference between a simulation and an instance as these concepts relate to evolutionary computation see:
Robert T. Pennock. "Models, Simulations, Instantiations and Evidence: The Case of Digital Evolution." Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Artificial Intelligence (Vol. 19, No. 1, 2007)
• To learn more about the power of evolutionary computation see:
Robert T. Pennock. "Can Darwinian Mechanisms Make Novel Discoveries?: Learning from discoveries made by evolving neural networks." Foundations of Science (Vol. 5 no. 2, pp. 225-238, 2000) |
Nothing about that is false advertising. He isn't making the claims that you say he is. The nicest possible interpretation of your claims here is that you are being an idiot, but there's no particular shortage of less nice interpretations either.
----- Incidentally, if I were you, I wouldn't want to link to the Avida -ED website because comparison to your dreck makes you look bad in yet another regard that we've brought up in the the past - http://avida-ed.msu.edu/downloa....ad.html (Hint: documented versions, rather than your ahistorical whack-a-mole approach to adding fixes in camouflaged updates.)
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