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| Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 26 2013,10:22) | Joe own goals... AGAIN... http://www.skepticink.com/tipplin....3062143
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Joe G
And here’s another quote for you:
“The word information in this theory is used in a special mathematical sense that must not be confused with its ordinary usage. In particular, information must not be confused with meaning.”- Warren Weaver, one of Shannon’s collaborators
Joe G
And Kevin, nice of you to ignore my main point- that we do NOT try to measure meaning. Ignorance seems to be your strong suit…
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LOL
He seems to forget that I'm the one that is saying he can't measure meaning. And he's arguing with me about it.
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| Quote (OgreMkV @ Mar. 01 2013,19:35) | | Quote (Joe G @ Mar. 01 2013,15:03) | [url=http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/information]information[/a]:
b: the attribute inherent in and communicated by one of two or more alternative sequences or arrangements of something (as nucleotides in DNA or binary digits in a computer program) that produce specific effects See also “Meyer, “Signature in the Cell” page 86
When Shannon developed his information theory he was not concerned about "specific effects". Shannon was looking for a way to quantify information, regardless of any meaning. Shannon gave us a way to check for a proper transmission (across a communication channel) and storage of information, counting bits. He also gave us a way to figure out the information carrying capacity of any signal.
He did that by linking information to uncertainty and then linking that to measures of probability.
But anyway, that is why Dembski used “specified information”- Specified Information is Shannon Information with meaning/ function. Meaning/ function is observed and then Shannon’s methodology is applied to quantify it.
So when IDists speak of "information" we are talking about specified information. THAT is the information used in and associated with information technology and everyday living. It is also the "information" without which communication would be impossible. |
So even Dembski admits that information does not equal meaning.
Otherwise you would have information + information, which is just silly.
Another own goal from JoeG. Give him a hand folks. |
No, Dembski does not admit that information does not equal meaning.
Everyone in the world knows that information = meaning. That is how the word is normally used, dipshit.
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Freaking hilarious. |
joey must believe that his previous comments about information and meaning can't be checked.
joey is an incorrigible, bratty child who gets caught with cookie crumbs on his lips and his hands in the cookie jar but belligerently denies taking and eating any cookies, and also tries to blame it on the person who caught him or someone else. He will say ANYthing, no matter how dishonest/stupid/contradictory it is, to try to shirk responsibility for his own words and actions.
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