Robin
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[quote=IBelieveInGod,Jan. 07 2011,07:33][/quote]
| Quote | | Quote (Robin @ Jan. 06 2011,13:38) | | Quote (IBelieveInGod @ Jan. 06 2011,10:56) | |
| Quote | | Did you read the link that I posted? |
I read the error-filled link. The problem is, once again you aren't paying attention. Neither Mao Zadong nor Stalin killed in the name of atheism. Hitler, OTOH, actually killed in the name of Christianity. D'Souza, once again, just demonstrates his ignorance. |
Let's see, so if you kill groups of people for practicing their religion, then that is not killing in the name of Atheism? If a country prohibits the practice of any religion and kills any who do so, that is not killing in the name of Atheism? |
Who are you referring to? Stalin's regime killed an unprecedented number of people, many of them atheists, so clearly he wasn't killing in the name of atheism. He was just a sociopath. Ditto for Mao. Yet Hitler was motivated by his twisting of Catholicism, which is still killing in the name of Christianity.
| Quote | | Next thing you will be supporting Mahmoud Ahmadinejad statement that the Holocaust never happen!!! |
Umm...no...since such is actually supported by the evidence. Your claims about killing in the name of atheism, however, are not.
| Quote | | You folks don't like history, and the fact that Atheist country do kill in the name of Atheism to create their not religious utopia, so you just revise it. You have to admit that people of faith in the USSR had to practice their religion in secrecy or be severely punished, it is still the same in China and many other Atheistic countries today. |
I love history! I just like actual history that is...you know...supported by actual historic evidence and scholarly analysis. Claims of opinion made by people who wish to see something that isn't there, however, don't much attract my attention.
| Quote | | Atheists like many here seem to think like John Lennon, that the answer to a utopia is no religion, therefore if it really came down to it many probably would have no qualms with doing whatever is necessary to stop people from practicing their faith, so that utopia would be possible. |
Blah blah blahblblah...yawn.
| Quote | The Soviet Union was the first state to have as an ideological objective the elimination of religion.
Toward that end, the Communist regime confiscated church property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed. It is estimated that 21 million Russian Orthodox Christians were martyred in the gulags by the Soviet government, not including torture or other Christian denominations killed.[63][unreliable source?]
Some actions against Orthodox priests and believers along with execution included torture being sent to prison camps, labour camps or mental hospitals.[44][64] The result of this militant atheism was to transform the Church into a persecuted and martyred Church. In the first five years after the Bolshevik revolution, 28 bishops and 1,200 priests were executed.[65]
Christ the Savior Cathedral Moscow after reconstruction
The main target of the anti-religious campaign in the 1920s and 1930s was the Russian Orthodox Church, which had the largest number of faithful. A very large segment of its clergy, and many of its believers, were shot or sent to labor camps. Theological schools were closed, and church publications were prohibited. In the period between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox Churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to less than 500. Between 1917 and 1940, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested. The widespread persecution and internecine disputes within the church hierarchy lead to the seat of Patriarch of Moscow being vacant from 1925-1943.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians |
Yep...as a political strategy. By removing the "opiate of the masses", Stalin thought he could get people's need for such institutions to focus instead on the State. It partially worked too.
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