Robert Byers
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Quote (Cubist @ May 01 2010,06:12) | In another forum, I proposed a few simple challenges for Creationists (in which category IDists fall). Very few Creationists ever even replied to any of these challenges, and no Creationist ever succeeded in meeting any of these challenges. Since that old forum has become a spammer-infested wasteland, I figured it might be appropriate to bring these challenges over to a rather more active forum...
Challenge the first: What is Creationism? Creationists like to assert that Creationism really and truly is a realio, trulio scientific theory, honest to Murgatroyd it is. But if this assertion is correct, then it should be possible to define the scientific theory of Creationism. Right? Right! So... What is the scientific theory of Creationism, and how can we use the scientific method to test this theory?
Challenge the second: What is ID? As with Creationism, so, too, with Creationism's wholly-owned subsidiary, ID. If ID really is a genuine scientific theory, yada yada yada. So... What is the scientific theory of Intelligent Design, and how can we use the scientific method to test this theory? Challenge the third: Which has more information? Creationists like to assert that random mutations cannot create genetic information. Perhaps they're right... but how do they know? It seems to me that if you have no way of measuring this 'genetic information' stuff, you have no grounds for declaring that mutations cannot create it. With that in mind, here are the two nucleotide sequences this challenge centers around:
Code Sample | Sequence 1: cag tgt ctt ggg ttc tcg cct gac tac gag acg cgt ttg tct tta cag gtc ctc ggc cag cac ctt aga caa gca ccc ggg acg cac ctt tca gtg ggc act cat aat ggc gga gta cca agg agg cac ggt cca ttg ttt tcg ggc cgg cat tgc tca tct ctt gag att tcc ata ctt
Sequence 2: tgg agt tct aag aca gta caa ctc tgc gac cgt gct ggg gta gcc act tct ggc cta atc tac gtt aca gaa aat ttg agg ttg cgc ggt gtc ctc gtt agg cac aca cgg gtg gaa tgg ggg tct ctt acc aaa ggg ctg ccg tat cag gta cga cgt agg tat tgc cgt gat aga ctg | Which of these two nucleotide sequences contains more 'genetic information', and how did you determine your answer?
Challenge the fourth: Which one is Designed? ID-pushers assert that ID provides a methodology by which one can determine whether or not some arbitrary whatever-it-is is the product of Design. Written sentences in English are Designed by whatever Intelligence wrote them; therefore, it follows that ID should be able to distinguish English sentences from random characters. If one translates an English sentence into a different language, that sentence is still Designed by the Intelligence who wrote it; therefore, the Designed nature of a written sentence is not destroyed by expressing that sentence with a different sequence of symbols. And if the Designed nature of a written sentence is not destroyed by expressing that sentence with a different sequence of symbols, it follows that the Designed nature of the sentence is not destroyed by using an encryption algorithm to convert that sentence into a sequence of seemingly random characters. With all that in mind, here are two character strings, one of which is an encrypted message, and the other of which is an arbitrary string of random characters:
Code Sample | Character string one: ={¡†¿ ¬&={‹ +ZrKU hg"Ix œgFZ" uaM?j œ?Uhg >”H¿œ jCZrK ,MjRœ Lu"gF ZœKZ¢ g[)Zh Z"KXM gcR"K XMgaX -KcZY [†lœX œ??U? ?waR, XmŒwM Zvœ>Z ngo”_ v”U’T XV Xv Zuyw… y ,.! ¡‡!…&
Character string two: jk?2J ^'VE¡ ?hS-c Z†“(# ]'6"8 0‹cWd Yfv” BlGæB “a”?" B2#“_ 9‹g¡y £B…?J @Se&y ¬œ4Sp …'T4? #ƒq”- 6[¢Of 1#3?} œ-§”÷ UTe…T Fdg›“ O÷iŒ. H¬^¿- ¢?Jv= ±1Q^o ‘O];v :?QE( 5qŒ3L | Your challenge, if you choose to accept it, is to use ID to determine which of these two strings is the encrypted message, and which is the random jumble. And show your work, please, so's we can tell that it was more than just dumb 50% luck. 1 May 2010 edit: Added the 'show your work' sentence to challenge #4 because, let's face it, OgreMkV was right to make note of that foolish omission |
Creationism is simply different species of thinkers about origins of the universe and things in it.
The modern world is the result of the intellectual conclusions of Protestant and Roman catholic Christian foundations. One section of this is the acceptance of Genesis as a witness to origins of the important things. In the Anglo-American civilization was the greatest persuasion of the bible as the word of God. so today in North America is the greatest opposition to opposition to genesis. Here we are. The bible comes first. Then smaller numbers apply their intelligence to these issues and have successfully and quickly taught the whole world there is a legitimate challenge to evolution and company.
Then I.D came into existance from different people. Simply intelligent thinkers found evolution was agrresive against the idea of a creator which to them was cracy. s they applied themselves to it and with degrees on the wall and successful books, movies, and so have become famous and he talk of the town. I.D fits into the great majorities belief in God without belief in genesis. Stupid overreaction by evolutionists has fanned the flames and not quenched them . The usual thing in dying ideas or empires.
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