Louis
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| Quote (kevinmillerxi @ Jan. 16 2009,03:34) | Louis,
If you insist on bringing up the Nazis, at least get your analogy straight. What I said about Edmondson is more akin to: "If you love Leni Reifenstahl, you kind of have to love the entire Third Reich--including Hitler." (Not that I'm equating Edmondson to Reifenstahl, Premise to the Third Reich, or me to Hitler)
Does the starkly fallacious nature of your {ahem} "logic" stand out at [sic] you yet?
Dumb, unthinking and misguidedly smug--sounds like a bad case of projection, Louis.
As for me being a troll, you've devoted an entire thread to tearing apart Expelled and assasinating the character of everyone involved. If I'm a troll, what does that make you guys? I consider myself more of an honored guest.
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Kevvo, Kevvo, Kevvo,
As per usual, your understanding is at the "yoghurt" level.
My mentioning if the Nazis is what we here in the adult world call "a joke". I am mocking you, get used to the feeling. The reason for me mentioning Nazis is because in your woefully inaccurate propaganda piece you, and your eternally clueless chums, made invidious comparisons with Nazis left and right. The analogy wasn't meant to be accurate mapping of "you" onto "nazi" or any such thing (in fact its very inaccuracy highlights this part nicely), it was a) meant to highlight the dishonest smearing of the majority of working scientists that you did in the movie and b) to highlight the illogic of your asinine cliam that if you love one thing about X you must love other things about X. So another swing and a miss from you Kevvo. You're doing SO well! Way to avoid the substantial point and focus on your own misunderstanding!
As for the trolling/projection comments: I think you'll find whining about character assassination by someone who a) doesn't even have the first clue about the scientific subject he made a movie about (and allegedly "researched") and b) made a series of cowardly and dishonest accusations about working scientists simply because you don't like some aspect of science, is so hypocritical it borders on irony. Frankly Kevvo, anyone with the minimum reasoning ability of a houseplant (and this is a set of people that clearly doesn't include you, houseplants are to you and your IDeological ilk what Einstein is to cheese) realises that this whine on your part is yet another swing and a miss. Doesn't that make you out? I was never too familiar with the rules of baseball.
Trolling is a behavioural phenomenon in which a person/persons do/say something to deliberately illicit a negative reaction and to distract from relevant effort. Like I said, this is not a phenomenon restricted to the internet that named it so. Your movie is as obnoxious a piece of trolling as anything else. If "Expelled" was well thought out, accurate, honest and presented a sound scientific case it would have been a useful contribution to any discussion. It wasn't any of these things.
Your personal behaviour on THIS website has been to interject meaningless pablum and whine about us meanies whilst failing to present one single defence of the ideas and claims in your movie. That is, at the very least indicative of your rather pathetic mindset, and at the worst deliberately disruptive (ergo: trolling). In fact, just like your odious movie, you deliberately try to avoid substantive claims/implications and instead focus on nonsensical whines about how very, very persecuted you are by a piece of the online universe that doesn't intrude into your life one iota. Another swing and a miss from you Kevvo. 4 strikes? (Three of them just in this post!) Dude, even a UKian who doesn't play baseball is becoming suspicious!
Oh and by the way, when your best retort to any critique is the playground-esque "I know you are you said you are but what am I", my advice is to give up because you're clearly too pathetic for words. And I do mean give up on everything, life included. As a grown man you really shouldn't be that pathetically infantile. Your suicidal method of choice should probably not involve a drug overdose as those evil Darwinian medics and pharmaceutical scientists are bound to have got their science wrong because there wasn't enough Jesus in it. I suggest a good high cliff and some jagged rocks. That Newton was a God fearing man after all.*
Lastly, and of course most amusingly, you complain about a tiny segment of the internet, where a few people have come together to share their individual ideas and opinions, has set up a thread to excoriate a demonstrably false and dishonest propaganda piece (that would be your movie, keep up). Wow, for a supposed advocate of the "little guy" and "free speech" you seem to have missed the point somewhere along the line. Golly Gosh Mr Big Hollywood Man how're us jes' plain folks to compete?
{KABLOOM}
Oops sorry, my irony meter just blew up....again.
You, and the Expelled team, made a movie that was distributed across the USA. In it you made, amongst a series of invidious comparisons and gross misrepresentations, a number of claims. Those claims (and the concomitant comparisons etc) have been dissected, refuted and thoroughly destroyed. To be fair, since there wasn't a single original part of your movie, the work was done before you shat it onto the movie screens, but I digress. Do you seriously expect it NOT to be criticised in any manner? Is our tiny corner of the online world (unadvertised in any meaningful manner, not backed by a budget of millions etc) so threatening to you? I suggest growing a thicker skin if you are to continue in public life.
Honoured guest? Who invited you? Who honoured you? Oopsie. Another swing and a miss. 5 in total? Not good at all methinks. You're welcome here, and of course welcome to contribute like any other person, and, also like any other person, it's your ideas that will determine how you are treated. And Kevvo, thus far, your ideas are getting you mocked. A lot.
Lastly, and for the record: I support Intelligent Design Creationists and other Creationists of all stripes. Yes you read me correctly. Let me elaborate. I support your right to your opinion, to express that opinion freely and to make whatever movies etc you think you need to, however disgustingly dishonest they might be. I support your right to criticise that which you think needs criticising and attempt to change that which you think needs changing. Just like I would support these things for anyone. This doesn't exempt you from critique, this doesn;t exempt you from mockery, and this doesn't mean (in some faux relativist way) that all claims are equal. What it means is that your entitlement to express them is equal to anyone else's.
Do I need to point out that this doesn't include inserting demonstrable non-science (and nonsense) into school/university science curricula? ID creationism (and it's elder brethren species of creationism) are simply not scientific. They might, just, be philosophical or theological ideologies (but to be fair they fail to even manage those exceedingly low criteria) and therefore usefully included in curricula discussing those topics, but science they ain't. No matter what special pleading you make. They barely even make the Cargo Cult appearance of science, despite the best efforts of their perpetually deluded adherents. When IDC starts making testable predictions that aren't accurately lampooned by The Flying Spaghetti Monster then it will be taken more seriously. Until then it remains what it has thus far been demonstrated to be: the latest in a series of sociopolitical gambits to force a specific religious world view into science as if it were science, which as has been demonstrated time and again, it isn't.
Oh and Kevvo, just a piece of advice, don't bring a rubber chicken to a gunfight. In a battle of wits you are so demonstrably unarmed as to be distressingly pathetic. Now go away or say something worth reading please.
Louis
*For the hard of thought, yes Kevvo and chums this would be you, I am absolutely not advocating Kevvo rid this world of his asinine presence. This is what we call "humour" and "hyperbole". Look them up, they really are quite fun.
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