sledgehammer
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This interchange between ribcynski and Dave on the Olofsson thread is classic UD. It starts when Dave sez "yer wrong!": Quote | 23 ribczynski 11/26/2008 12:55 am
DaveScot wrote: ID predicted that nothing of any significant novel complexity would emerge in 10^30 opportunities for mutation and selection in p.falciparum. You said this agrees with the prediction of NDE. I disagree with that. NDE predicts something might emerge or it might not.
True, and the results did not contradict NDE. |
Rib even agrees with Dave at this point, but Dave, being the pompous prick he is, has to bluster, and in doing so contradicts himself: Quote | 30 DaveScot 11/26/2008 8:30 am
rib True, and the results did not contradict NDE.
Of course not. How can an outcome contradict NDE when NDE predicts all outcomes? NDE predicts major evolutionary changes happen except for when they don’t happen. I guess you didn’t get the subtle point that NDE made no prediction at all - a theory that predicts everything predicts nothing. |
Then rib calls Dave's bluff, and politely but decisively shoots him down: Quote | 44 ribczynski 11/26/2008 1:15 pm
DaveScot wrote: How can an outcome contradict NDE when NDE predicts all outcomes? NDE predicts major evolutionary changes happen except for when they don’t happen. I guess you didn’t get the subtle point that NDE made no prediction at all - a theory that predicts everything predicts nothing.
A contingent science cannot make predictions in every instance. And by the way, that applies to ID (which is contingent on the idiosyncrasies of an unknown designer) as well as every other theory. Even the “Theory of Everything” being sought by physicists won’t predict the weather on August 13, 2045.
As for NDE predicting “everything”, that is obviously false.
NDE does not predict that rabbit fossils will be found in Precambrian strata, to use Haldane’s classic example.
NDE does not predict that sheep are more closely related to paramecia than they are to goats.
NDE does not predict that the Cubs will win the Series this year.
I could go on. |
Davey don't like being shown that he's wrong. Now he's pissed, and thinking "Clearly we can't have someone this articulate posting here. What to do, what to do? I know! Quick, change the argument": Quote | DaveScot 11/26/2008 1:50 pm
rib
NDE doesn’t predict when or if significant changes will happen. Since you cannot seem to acknowledge that simple fact you need to move along. Don’t post any more in this thread. Other authors here may continue to entertain your obstinance but I will not.
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When it's clear that you are outclassed, silence the opposition by any means, even if it requires trumped-up charges. In this case, insubordination by rib for failing to acknowledge Dave's ridiculous bluster provides a thin excuse. Probably Dave wanted outright bannination, but that would clearly violate the "new moderation policy", and since poor Dave lost his position as Czar, this was the best he could do. I'm sure everone at UD are just itching to find a reason to ban ribcynski, but so far he's been able to dance close to the edge. It won't last. I predict within a week, they'll find some paltry excuse to give him/her the boot. I'm rootin' for ya, rib! It's the entertainment value of exchanges like this that are leading me into incurable tardaholism. I'm an addict, and I can't stop myself.
-------------- The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein (H/T, JAD)
If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind
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