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Quote | "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank
Posts: 174 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2006,19:41 Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Aug. 16 2006,15:34) DaveScot is an idiot but David Heddle is not.
Says you. (shrug)
But hey, Mr O'Brien, since you seem determined to, ya know, share all of your religious wisdom with all of us, let me ask you a simple question before you begin your preaching . . .
What exactly is the source of your religious authority. What exactly makes your (or ANY persons) religious opinions more (or less) authoritative than anyone elses. Why should anyone pay any more attention to my religious opinions, or yours, than we pay to the religious opinions of my next door neighbor or my gardener or the guy who delivered my pizza last night. It seems to me that no one alive would or could know any more about God than anyone else alive does, since there doesnt seem to be any potential source of such knowledge that isnt equally available to everyone else. You pray; I pray. You read the Bible; I read the Bible. You go to church and listen to the pastor; I go to church and listen to the pastor. So what is it, exactly, that makes your religious opinion any more (or less) valid than anyone elses. Are you more holy than anyone else? Do you walk more closely with God than anyone else? Does God love you best? Are you the best Biblical scholar in human history? What exactly makes your opinions better than anyone elses? Other than your say-so?
Is it your opinion that not only is the Bible inerrant and infallible, but YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of it are also inerrant and infallible? Sorry, but I simply dont believe that you are infallible. Would you mind explaining to me why I SHOULD think you are? Other than your say-so?
It seems to me that your religious opinions are just that, your opinions. They are no more holy or divine or infallible or authoritative than anyone elses religious opinions. No one is obligated in any way, shape, or form to follow your religious opinions, to accept them, or even to pay any attention at all to them.
Can you show me anything to indicate otherwise? Other than your say-so? | Quote | Robert O'Brien
Posts: 11 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2006,20:10 Quote What exactly is the source of your religious authority. What exactly makes your (or ANY persons) religious opinions more (or less) authoritative than anyone elses. Why should anyone pay any more attention to my religious opinions,or yours, than we pay to the religious opinions of my next door neighbor or my gardener or the guy who delivered my pizza last night. It seems to me that no one alive would or could know any more about God than anyone else alive does, since there doesnt seem to be any potential source of such knowledge that isnt equally available to everyone else. You pray; I pray. You read the Bible; I read the Bible.
Do you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude read Plato, Plotinus, Boethius, Aquinas, and Rousseau, among others, when trying to iron out your theology? Cuz' I do. Do you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude try to incorporate your mathematical/statistical knowledge into your God-belief as I do? Have you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude studied Attic Greek, the language of Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle and the precursor of the Koine Greek of the New Testament as I have?
Quote You go to church and listen to the pastor; I go to church and listen to the pastor.
I do?
Quote So what is it,exactly+that makes your religious opinion any more (or less) valid than anyone elses.
Uh, cuz' it is an educated, reflective one?
Quote Are you more holy than anyone else? Do you walk more closely with God than anyone else? Does God love you best? Are you the best Biblical scholar in human history?
No.
Quote Is it your opinion that not only is the Bible inerrant and infallible, but YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of it are also inerrant and infallible?
Neither.
Quote Sorry,but I simply dont believe that you are infallible.
That makes two of us.
Quote No one is obligated in any way, shape, or form to follow your religious opinions, to accept them, or even to pay any attention at all to them.
Agreed. | Quote | "Rev Dr" Lenny Flank
Posts: 174 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2006,22:08 Ah, so there's nothing other than your say-so.
Got it.
No reason for any of us to pay any attention to your religious opinions then, is there. | Quote | Robert O'Brien
Posts: 11 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2006,22:22 Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Aug. 16 2006,21:08) No reason for any of us to pay any attention to your religious opinions then, is there.
Feel free to ignore me; I ignore your inanity except to occasionally correct your errors. | Quote | Ichthyic
Posts: 1466 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2006,22:50 Quote Do you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude try to incorporate your mathematical/statistical knowledge into your God-belief as I do?
hmm, who else tried that and failed miserably...
who could it be...
why, William Dembski comes to mind.
yeah, that's worked out real well for him. Amazing contribution to our general understanding... NOT.
care to regale us with similar twistings of logic and premise there, Robert?
Or do you feel you have done better than 'ol WD in your application of statistics and probability to theology?
do tell! | Quote | Ichthyic
Posts: 1466 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2006,01:03 LOL.
I was actually looking forward to another Sal look alike coming here and trying to wow us with ridiculously poor and inappropriate mathematical analogies.
Robert has all the fixins' to be a fantastic subject for study here at ATBC, if we could only draw him out of his shell....
oh, and Robert:
pizza delivery boy is no hypothetical, we even had to find a replacement when the original went on vacation. | Quote | Robert O'Brien
Posts: 11 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2006,01:20 Quote (Ichthyic @ Aug. 17 2006,00:03) LOL.
I was actually looking forward to another Sal look alike coming here and trying to wow us with ridiculously poor and inappropriate mathematical analogies.
Robert has all the fixins' to be a fantastic subject for study here at ATBC, if we could only draw him out of his shell....
oh, and Robert:
pizza delivery boy is no hypothetical, we even had to find a replacement when the original went on vacation.
Sal C is a nice guy, but I ain't like him. I have distanced myself from Bill and DI over the last several months, which I don't think Sal would ever do. Also, he is YEC, which is off the deep end as far as I am concerned. | Quote | mcc
Posts: 32 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2006,01:28 Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Aug. 16 2006,19:10) Do you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude read Plato, Plotinus, Boethius, Aquinas, and Rousseau, among others, when trying to iron out your theology?
Look out, folks! This one actually knows how to read! | Quote | blipey
Posts: 99 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2006,01:33 Quote Do you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude read Plato, Plotinus, Boethius, Aquinas, and Rousseau, among others, when trying to iron out your theology?
How exactly does this change the debate? Isn't it still about how you interpret your reading? OR, are we to assume that you think you're the only one who reads philosophy?
Can you bring something new to your next comment?
-------------- may gravity be kind... | Quote | k.e
Posts: 418 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 17 2006,02:45 Maquerading as Wobert's Pizza boy (Hy-pathetically)
Quote Quote Quote (Robert O'Brien @ Aug. 16 2006,19:10) Do you and hypothetical pizza delivery dude read Plato, Plotinus, Boethius, Aquinas, and Rousseau, among others, when trying to iron out your theology?
Look out, folks! This one actually knows how to read!
Yeah ....well Foucault you to.
Marx my words ,I think you're all Frued's.
Voltaire's dick was bigger than Nietzsche's and I've got the photos to prove it.
so there.
Oh did I mention Einstein? Well I have now.
so there again |
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