JohnW
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Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 27 2018,15:26) | Quote | 335 gpuccioMarch 27, 2018 at 3:41 pm EricMH:
“@Origenes, yes the question is of proximate and ultimate cause. What I am saying is that if the mind is an algorithm, then the proximate cause of all human artifacts (spaceships) is chance and necessity.
You can argue the ultimate cause of the human mind AI is something other than chance and necessity, this mysterious “intelligence”, but then use of the human mind to support the inference to design is circular.”
This is the error in your reasoning.
The human mind can be an algorithm (at least part of it certainly is), but it is an algorithm operated by a conscious subject. That makes all the difference.
It’s like the difference between the demo of a videogame, which goes on algorithmically, and a real play, where a conscious player continuously interacts with the game.
So, “the ultimate cause of the human mind AI” and of what it can do that non conscious forms of AI cannot do, is not “mysterious” at all. It’s consciousness, the presence of definite subjective experiences, so little mysterious that we can observe them at all times in ourselves. |
Gimme a hit offa that crack pipe, G-Puc.
Quote | 100 EricMHMarch 27, 2018 at 3:28 pm @BA77, thanks for this information. I agree that information has been shown to be something distinct, but there are some nuances that are missed. Information itself is inert, it cannot produce more information. If information exists, then an information creator must also exist. However, since information is inert, then the creator cannot itself be information but something other. Thus, our pantheon of basic substances must expand to not only include information but also this fourth entity that can create information.
My personal hypothesis is the human soul is of this fourth variety. Notice that by this formulation the human soul cannot itself be derived from matter (chance + necessity + information), and consequently the dissolution of matter does not entail the dissolution of the soul. |
as usual, the science goes Fast and Furious at UD. |
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