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tacitus



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 31 2006,17:55   

Heh - Bill Dembski just stepped in and slapped DaveScot back down. Methinks Billy boy didn't like the way things were going.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/747

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 31 2006,20:12   

Quote (tacitus @ Jan. 31 2006,23:55)
Heh - Bill Dembski just stepped in and slapped DaveScot back down. Methinks Billy boy didn't like the way things were going.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/747

And, curiously, DaveScot's thread has disappeared, and he hasn't been heard of since.  But two new moderators have appeared.

I guess we'll work out in a few days whether this is jsut because DaveScot is taking a cold shower.

Who predicted the end of January?

Bob

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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,00:11   

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Who predicted the end of January?

It looks like stevestory is the winner, assuming we don't find the stone rolled away from the tomb in three days.  His prediction was made 21 days ago:
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Posted by steve s on January 10, 2006 11:36 PM (e)

If anybody wants to start a dead pool on DaveScot’s administration, I’m in for the last week of January.

http://www.pandasthumb.org/archive....omments

Congratulations, Steve!

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,00:25   

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Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 01 2006,02:12)
[quote=tacitus,Jan. 31 2006,23:55]Heh - Bill Dembski just stepped in and slapped DaveScot back down. Methinks Billy boy didn't like the way things were going.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/747

And, curiously, DaveScot's thread has disappeared, and he hasn't been heard of since.
I guess we'll work out in a few days whether this is jsut because DaveScot is taking a cold shower.

He is back, and posting on the thread that is linked.
Not sure if he still has a moderators role though.

  
keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,00:28   

DaveScot is still gunning for the "common designists":
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At the end of the day we still the law of nature that life comes from life, an overwhelming number of points of similarity in the genetic code, and the best scientific objections to a single common ancestor (Woese and Doolittle) still saying that all plants, animals, fungi, and protists share a single common ancestor.

What am I missing here? Where is the scientific evidence to refute common descent?

Comment by DaveScot — February 1, 2006 @ 4:09 am


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keiths



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,00:51   

Looks like we've gotten under Dave's skin:
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To the Peanut Gallery at “After The Bar Closes”

I know you clowns are reading this and just wanted to let you know that I deleted my own article at no one’s urging, I’m still moderating the joint like before, and we’re all still friends here united against bozos clinging to the discredited Darwinian dogma of natural selection.

So there.

Comment by DaveScot — February 1, 2006 @ 5:33 am

Yes, Dave... and it was Harriet Miers' idea to withdraw her nomination, despite the strong protests of President Bush.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,02:07   

keiths, where'd you see that? I don't see it on the main Uncommon Pissant thread.

   
djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,02:52   

This just gets better and better!

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Filed under: Intelligent Design — DaveScot @ 6:48 am



You can't make up stuff like this!

  
Caledonian



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,03:23   

Stupid question:  what's the meaning of this latest post?  Could DaveScot have password-protected it, or did someone else password-protect it?

I'm afraid I don't quite understand the context.

  
Russell



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,03:56   

Oh, DaveScot - since we know you're reading this: you're confusing Russell Doolittle with W. Ford Doolittle. Of course, being intimately familiar with all this literature, and with that 153 IQ of course, you probably knew that and just made a slip of the keyboard.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,04:25   

Quote (Russell @ Feb. 01 2006,09:56)
Oh, DaveScot - since we know you're reading this: you're confusing Russell Doolittle with W. Ford Doolittle. Of course, being intimately familiar with all this literature, and with that 153 IQ of course, you probably knew that and just made a slip of the keyboard.

Did he also tell you...? He used to work at Dell.  :p

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,04:38   

Lol. They're talking now, at Uncommon Pissant, about how so many people there are engineers. Much better suited to understand biology, don't you know. Anyway, had to repeat this funny bit from Sal Cordova:
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If biotic reality has a hidden message spread accoss genomes, and IDists are able to essentially reverse engineer the “internet protocol” of biolgy and thus decode lifes hidden messages, it will be a slam dunk victory for ID, and Darwinism will dead forever!

Salvador

Comment by scordova — February 1, 2006 @ 8:22 am

   
guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,04:41   

Yes, I agree, a message hidden across the genome would destroy evolution, and also prove there was a creator of some sort.  Now, all we have to do is get them to agree on which language its written in...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,04:58   

This is so rich it deserves more commentary...

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If biotic reality has a hidden message spread accoss genomes, and IDists are able to essentially reverse engineer the “internet protocol” of biolgy and thus decode lifes hidden messages, it will be a slam dunk victory for ID, and Darwinism will dead forever!

Salvador

Comment by scordova — February 1, 2006 @ 8:22 am


And if the Klingons land their space ship on the front lawn of the White House and explain how they created the universe "Darwinism" would be dead too.

If God stops giving us the silent treatments and explains (in a "pathetic level of detail") how he went about the Creation "Darwinism" would fall by the wayside.

If the Time Travelers show up at Dr Michael Behe's biology class and give a lesson on IC then "Darwinism" would fall off the map.

If the Space Aliens show up at one of the Christian propaganda classes Theologian William Demsbki teaches at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary and demonstrate the finer points of specified complexity "Darwinism" will be a dead horse with a dead rider.

The possibilities are endless.  

No wonder all the "Darwinists" are shaking in their boots.  Clearly "Darwinism" is a theory in crisis.

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,05:30   

Quote (djmullen @ Feb. 01 2006,08:52)
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Filed under: Intelligent Design — DaveScot @ 6:48 am



You can't make up stuff like this!

That one has now gone. Incredible. I don't think I would be able to believe these antics if I hadn't seen it for myself.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,05:47   

Yeah, I wonder why we're so important, they have to talk about us secretly.

But it's the IDers, and we all know that hiding parts of their agenda is essential if they want to succeed

   
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,06:24   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 01 2006,10:58)
If biotic reality has a hidden message spread accoss genomes, and IDists are able to essentially reverse engineer the “internet protocol” of biolgy and thus decode lifes hidden messages, it will be a slam dunk victory for ID, and Darwinism will dead forever!

Salvador

I know it's not really important, but what is 'Mad Sal' even talking about here? Is he fantasizing about finding some secret message in human DNA, a la the Da Vinci code? Some feverish scenario of 'secularist' scientists (it'd have to be them, the IDCers do no actual research) bumping into some repeating code that turns out to be Ancient Hebrew?

What would the messages say?

"The World is only 6,000 years old!"
"Goddidit!"
"The NCSE is the antichrist!"
"Poof!"
"How Come We Still Have Monkeys?"
"Vote Republican!"
"Come Home, Your Mother Ship Needs You!"

He's right, if this happened, Darwinism "will dead" forever...

(Have I missed something, or has Sal totally dropped out of PT since Dover?)

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,06:33   

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What would the messages say?


Kilroy Was Here?

Or perhaps this:

The Raelian Movement Presents Message From The Designers

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,06:37   

Arden,
You forgot "ET phone home". ;)

Henry

No wait, a better one - "Live long and prosper".
:D

  
PuckSR



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,06:54   

Actually....I think you guys are misunderstanding Sal's claim

Sal, from my understanding, is talking about decoding genetics.  In other words, being able to use genetics as a programming language.

His reasoning, which is flawed, is that if genetics contains a "language" of sorts.....then it would be proof of a designer.  

This is just another ID guy who doesnt understand the difference between random and Evolution

  
Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,07:09   

I can see it now....With that programming language they could finally build their Master Race of Militant Evangelicals who would take up the Mighty Sword of Righteousness against the Evil Evolutionists and The Word would reign for thousands of years!

Or something like that...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,07:09   

Quote (PuckSR @ Feb. 01 2006,12:54)
Actually....I think you guys are misunderstanding Sal's claim

Sal, from my understanding, is talking about decoding genetics.  In other words, being able to use genetics as a programming language.

His reasoning, which is flawed, is that if genetics contains a "language" of sorts.....then it would be proof of a designer.  

This is just another ID guy who doesnt understand the difference between random and Evolution

I'm not positive that's all Sal means. Note the following part of his wishlist:

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thus decode lifes hidden messages,


So deep down I think Sal is hoping this 'code' would validate all the things he wants to believe.

He'd better be careful... what if the code is in Sanskrit and says "Praise Krishna! The Universe is 3 Trillion Years Old!"

Or, what if it's in Esperanto, and it says:

Earthlings! You have displeased your extraterrestrial overlords! We shall leave Alpha Centauri immediately, and when we arrive, we shall exterminate your puny planet!

Sal better be careful what can of worms he opens here...
:p

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,07:39   

Quote (tacitus @ Jan. 31 2006,23:55)
Heh - Bill Dembski just stepped in and slapped DaveScot back down. Methinks Billy boy didn't like the way things were going.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/747

Amusing as it is, what is really cool about this little drama is that Dembski spills the beans: the problem about ID is that it doesn't predict anything about anything so OF COURSE it has nothing to say about common descent.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,08:58   

Won't the DNA just say "What is six times nine"?

From which you will be able to work out that God has 13 digits.

Bob

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tacitus



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,09:20   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 01 2006,13:09)
[quote=PuckSR,Feb. 01 2006,12:54]

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thus decode lifes hidden messages,


So deep down I think Sal is hoping this 'code' would validate all the things he wants to believe.

He'd better be careful... what if the code is in Sanskrit and says "Praise Krishna! The Universe is 3 Trillion Years Old!"

Or, what if it's in Esperanto, and it says:

Earthlings! You have displeased your extraterrestrial overlords! We shall leave Alpha Centauri immediately, and when we arrive, we shall exterminate your puny planet!

Sal better be careful what can of worms he opens here...
:p

I've actually written a short story were the human race makes it to the stars only to find themselves alone, until they come across a 4byr old ruin containing a hall of statues, each with an inscription below it.  The final statue they uncover is of an alien holding a DNA strand, and when they run a pattern match on the alien inscription below they find the only match is in a strand of "junk" DNA found in all life on Earth - i.e. the signature of their "maker".

Not terribly original, and the ending needs a lot of work, so I haven't bothered to try to get it published. Needless to say, I'm also not too thrilled at the idea of publishing a story that, even in small way, validates ID!

  
phishyphred



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,10:24   

fyi...

davescott moved AFTER THE BAR CLOSES to the sidebar at uncommon dissent along with DAVIDSON papers if you can believe that...some are still password protected

must be top secret stuff there[cough cough]

woo woo!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,10:25   

just a reminder:

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It’s simply counter-productive to our goals and reinforces the idea that ID is religion because nothing but religion argues against descent with modification from a common ancestor.

--DaveScot née Dave Springer

   
slpage



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,10:34   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Feb. 01 2006,12:24)

(Have I missed something, or has Sal totally dropped out of PT since Dover?)

Sal dropped off KCFS also.

He had been doing drive-bys, mostly, but I had been trying to get him to offer some legitimate discussion on his claim that by employing a 10-letter "toy example" (his words) he could show how evolution should be erasing molecular hierarchies over time, and that their exixtence is a big problem.

His respopnses for fluff and topic changes, primarily.  He just didn't seem to get that 'mutating' a 10-letter sequence over 10 'generations' and 'erasing' a hierarchy is not quite the same thing as mutating a few nucleotides per generation in a genome of billions.

  
tacitus



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,10:51   

And now Dembski asks why biologists are still coming across "complete surprises" as if that somehow invalidates all we know about evolutionary biology.

Hmm, let me think for, oh, all of ten seconds....

Ah yes, the complete surprises of "hot Jupiters" and finding that the expansion of our Universe is speeding up must completely invalidate all we know about astronomy and cosmology.

Really, the man is a fool to advance this type of argument.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 01 2006,20:12   

Did you guys read that thread on "ID in India"? I actually went and read the link provided. Lost my cool and went home. As I drove home I realised I would be banned ...again...

One just get so tired hearing the same old hogwash over and over and over again.

My conclusion is all the poofters (IDiots) that are writing their pseudo mumbo jumbo science books are just doing it for money and attention. Some kids are like that. They are naughty to receive attention. Even negative attention is attention I suppose, and then of course there is the "god" syndrome of getting disciples.

This whole "hidden genetic message" is just more of their trash. But hey, they would love to teach the children to be and think like them. The whole scientific world is laughing at them, and they are so very proud of it. Disagreeing with science makes them ... uh.... right? Nope, it just makes them clowns. And let's face it. We had some good laughs at all their claims and contortions.

  
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