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Occam's Toothbrush



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2013,15:39   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 07 2013,13:06)
Please ignore Markuze/Mabus.


Just reported him to Montreal police.

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2013,12:35   

I am absolutely stunned that this type of thing can occur in the 21st century. Of course, given the crap that the DI and other creationist groups, along with individuals like FL and Robert Byers put forth, I should not be surprised that such wacky beliefs exist.

http://news.yahoo.com/accused....48.html

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Robin



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2013,12:56   

Yahoo is full of interesting news today. Here's one about a born-again Christian who quite a job because the number "666"  came up on his W-2. Wow!

Suddenly Gary Gaulin is looking rather bright...

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we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo

The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2013,13:09   

Quote (Robin @ Feb. 08 2013,10:56)
Yahoo is full of interesting news today. Here's one about a born-again Christian who quite a job because the number "666"  came up on his W-2. Wow!

Suddenly Gary Gaulin is looking rather bright...

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Slonopas, who calls the situation "unbelievable," is seeking a new W-2 with a different number on it. He says that he can't file his taxes without one.

Perhaps he'll share a cell with Kent Hovind.

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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 08 2013,19:20   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 08 2013,13:09)
Quote (Robin @ Feb. 08 2013,10:56)
Yahoo is full of interesting news today. Here's one about a born-again Christian who quite a job because the number "666"  came up on his W-2. Wow!

Suddenly Gary Gaulin is looking rather bright...

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Slonopas, who calls the situation "unbelievable," is seeking a new W-2 with a different number on it. He says that he can't file his taxes without one.

Perhaps he'll share a cell with Kent Hovind.

So, Kent and his BFF Bubba would entertain the notion of a"Ménage à Trois" ?

Oui!  I am sure that "Dr." Kent can find a "passage" in his scripture that will make it happen!

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Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2013,09:06   

Deep, deep tardmines

Come and feast, ye Ebolites!

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JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 18 2013,09:18   

Quote (Amadan @ Feb. 18 2013,09:06)
Deep, deep tardmines

Come and feast, ye Ebolites!

Holy cow!  That's like the great tard rush of '06.  This could be epic.

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Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims.

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,10:45   

Hmm...

http://news.yahoo.com/trolls-....46.html

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Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,11:17   

Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 20 2013,10:45)
Hmm...

http://news.yahoo.com/trolls-....46.html

Perhaps to be expected?

 
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Highly religious readers, the study revealed, were more likely to see nanotechnology as risky when exposed to rude comments compared to less religious readers, Brossard notes.


Trolls win: Rude blog comments dim the allure of science online

You'd think that the web would diminish creationism, since it provides an abundance of evidence for evolution, plus fisking of creationist rot.  But, the religious often don't understand science, and they don't see the rudeness of their side, only the rudeness of the evilutionists who can't constantly abide the endless stream of lies, especially when they're repeated despite having been well-answered.

So we should pull back?  It's not that simple, for the fact is that all it takes is something like 10% of a group to be irrevocably devoted to a belief in order for them to win out.  Islam and Xianity, for a variety of reasons, ended up with such devotees, and thus won out in many societies (although clearly Islam has won over Xianity and vice versa, and even Buddhism managed to oust Islam from advances Islam had made in the east).  That, above all, is why creationism doesn't disappear, for it never goes below the threshold where they're just dismissed as the cranks that they are.  So they'll win--unless at least 10% of society is as implacably opposed to lies being treated as truths as creationists favor lies being treated as truths.

I think that in the end there has to be a place for Biologos, the NCSE, and other "middle grounds," to try to persuade any open-minded sorts toward science, though, because calling the liars "liars" (de facto liars, even if they're ignoramuses able to say that they're not "intentionally misleading" anybody) tends to scare off people who already buy into conspiracies of Satan and appalling evil-doers controlling science.

The way in which implacable devotees win in society means that implacable creationists need to be opposed by implacable believers in honest methods in science.  Yet the way that religious believers tend to react to opposition to "controversy" existing between "trolls" on both sides means that their fears are going to be stoked by the incivility.  Like the poor, we'll always have the uncommonly dense.

Glen Davidson

ETA, I don't know how well the 10% figure eventually winning out in a group holds up in much larger groups, like the US as a whole.  But the principle seems to hold to some degree, at least, judging from how shifts in opinion have occurred through history.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,11:36   

Quote (Amadan @ Feb. 18 2013,10:06)
Deep, deep tardmines

Come and feast, ye Ebolites!



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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,12:37   

Where's the number of that exorcist...

  
Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,13:00   

From UD:

   
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But, in the end, the approach I see in evolutionary biology (some of which you have demonstrated in this thread) is damaging, most of all to theory of evolution itself.

Abuses of the scientific process contribute to increased skepticism – it raises the guard of those who are not informed and see only the human behaviors surrounding the science. And the truth is those behaviors don’t influence whether the science is ‘true’ or not.

I am still open to the theory of evolution. I still want to learn more and follow the evidence where it leads. But I admit that I am particularly cautious as I research it because of the approach of evolutionists in championing their theory.


http://tinyurl.com/a9atbtp....a9atbtp  

Uh, no, you are not open to the theory of evolution, you are open to well-poisoning lies and disgusting defamatory attacks against those who tell you the truth.

But that has always been the modus operandi of creationist liars, to poison the well, then to attack those who call such well-poisoning scurrilous and wrong as "bigots" who simply can't answer the bigoted slanders and libels cast at them.  

We can neither pretend that creationists (eta--I mean the pushers mainly, not so much the rank and file dupes) are anything but pseudoscientific trolls using underhanded tactics, nor can we win over poisoned minds by doing so--in fact this often "confirms" the "truth" of the charges to the ignorant and delusional.  This is a catch-22 which they can always exploit.

It is those in the middle ground that give any real hope to convincing those to whom "truth" simply is that scientists conspire to attack, or at least to nullify, their religious beliefs.  While I think that such "middle grounders" can readily have their intellectual bases (or, "intellectual bases") questioned, the reality is that actually gunning at them, as some like to do, only closes the door to those who simply cannot be persuaded by having everything they believe in denied simultaneously.

Glen Davidson

edited to make url work--the preview seems to have screwed it up

edited again--I think it was the length of url that screwed it up, in fact

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,18:10   

More deleted death threats from Mabus/Markuze. Please continue to ignore him until the cops pick him up again.



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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,18:24   

I thought about, rather than deleting them, editing his posts to have him saying unflattering things about himself, but then it's generally not a good idea to poke with sticks people who are known to the po-pos.

   
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2013,18:53   

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 20 2013,18:24)
I thought about, rather than deleting them, editing his posts to have him saying unflattering things about himself, but then it's generally not a good idea to poke with sticks people who are known to the po-pos.

There has GOT to be a way to get him over to UD! GEM of ICKY and Mabus have SOOOOO much in common!

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2013,16:23   

You could switch the posts of Mabus and Gaulin and see if anyone notices.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 22 2013,17:20   

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“Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas?

Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2013,10:54   

I recall that there was a thread detailing the many faculty fired from religious schools for teaching science, or questioning BS like Noah's Flood (eg Dembski).

But, I don't recall where the thread was. Does anyone here know?

Edited by Dr.GH on Feb. 23 2013,08:54

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Texas Teach



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2013,13:11   

Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 23 2013,10:54)
I recall that there was a thread detailing the many faculty fired from religious schools for teaching science, or questioning BS like Noah's Flood (eg Dembski).

But, I don't recall where the thread was. Does anyone here know?

Is this it?

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Dr.GH



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2013,13:35   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 23 2013,11:11)
Quote (Dr.GH @ Feb. 23 2013,10:54)
I recall that there was a thread detailing the many faculty fired from religious schools for teaching science, or questioning BS like Noah's Flood (eg Dembski).

But, I don't recall where the thread was. Does anyone here know?

Is this it?

Thanks. I'll need to add Dembski, Todd Wood's "Barminology Study Group," most of the biologists at La Vern or Loma Linda(?) and some of their trustees.

Any other faculty fired for supporting science you all can remember are welcome.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2013,14:01   

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 20 2013,16:24)
I thought about, rather than deleting them, editing his posts to have him saying unflattering things about himself, but then it's generally not a good idea to poke with sticks people who are known to the po-pos.

Or have them read as .wav files by Gilbert Gottfried, that would be a laugh.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2013,18:05   

Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 24 2013,12:01)
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 20 2013,16:24)
I thought about, rather than deleting them, editing his posts to have him saying unflattering things about himself, but then it's generally not a good idea to poke with sticks people who are known to the po-pos.

Or have them read as .wav files by Gilbert Gottfried, that would be a laugh.

I always imagine Mabus sounding like Elmer Fudd.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2013,01:55   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 24 2013,16:05)
Quote (fnxtr @ Feb. 24 2013,12:01)
 
Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 20 2013,16:24)
I thought about, rather than deleting them, editing his posts to have him saying unflattering things about himself, but then it's generally not a good idea to poke with sticks people who are known to the po-pos.

Or have them read as .wav files by Gilbert Gottfried, that would be a laugh.

I always imagine Mabus sounding like Elmer Fudd.

Or Hugh Laurie's Prince of Wales in Blackadder.

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"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2013,03:04   

Hah! Maybe Dennis' mom is ghost-writing for him again.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2013,06:49   

More Markuze deleted.



Edited by Lou FCD on Feb. 27 2013,07:50

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2013,12:12   


   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2013,14:36   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 18 2013,09:18)
Quote (Amadan @ Feb. 18 2013,09:06)
Deep, deep tardmines

Come and feast, ye Ebolites!

Holy cow!  That's like the great tard rush of '06.  This could be epic.

From the main menu:

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Intelligent Design

Is evidence of the divine apparent in the design of nature itself?


We don't know who the designer is, only that they were divine*





The designer was...chocolate cake.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2013,14:51   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 27 2013,15:36)
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 18 2013,09:18)
Quote (Amadan @ Feb. 18 2013,09:06)
Deep, deep tardmines

Come and feast, ye Ebolites!

Holy cow!  That's like the great tard rush of '06.  This could be epic.

From the main menu:

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Intelligent Design

Is evidence of the divine apparent in the design of nature itself?


We don't know who the designer is, only that they were divine*





The designer was...chocolate cake.

Sheeeeyit bitch

We know, now, the identify of the designer



game over, darwinists

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 28 2013,06:47   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 27 2013,20:51)
 
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 27 2013,15:36)
 
Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 18 2013,09:18)
   
Quote (Amadan @ Feb. 18 2013,09:06)
Deep, deep tardmines

Come and feast, ye Ebolites!

Holy cow!  That's like the great tard rush of '06.  This could be epic.

From the main menu:

   
Quote
Intelligent Design

Is evidence of the divine apparent in the design of nature itself?


We don't know who the designer is, only that they were divine*





The designer was...chocolate cake.

Sheeeeyit bitch

We know, now, the identify of the designer



game over, darwinists



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(Permalink) Posted: Mar. 02 2013,04:16   

Quote (The Ghost of Paley @ Oct. 31 2005,09:47)
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Any particular reason for the red-bating? Are you still concerned that the CPUSA might try to take over the country?


No, I am not concerned about that at all. Polls indicate only 9% of Americans believe in evolution and most of them are effete cowards who couldn't take over a wet paper bag. There is no chance of a communist takeover in this country. In America, communists are an endangered species that exist only in zoos like Harvard and Berkely. America's Christian taxpayers care for you like any good zookeeper; we just don't want you animals to determine what our children learn in our schools. Che Guevera, Lenin?--Chomsky, Gould, etc., much less their pathetic disciples who run this message board don't even come close.



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And surely you're not going to claim that the Soviet Union was a haven for evolutionists...


Darwinism is the intellectual precursor to Marxism. Without it Marxism could not exist. It is an uncitical devotion to the works of Darwin that caused Lysenkoism to be adopted. Lysenkoism is just applied Darwinism. It was the Christian monk Gregor Mendel, not the atheistic philosopher Darwin who really discovered genetics, and this is what Lysenko objected to. Yes, evolutionists had free reign in the Soviet Union, while true scientists were sent to the Gulag.

First of all, 50% of Americans accept evolution. Second of all, Darwin wasn't racist. Mendel was an "evolutionist". By the way, Darwin was not racist. Darwin was not even an atheist, nor a philosopher. He was a revolutionary scientist, his theory is able to help develop new medicine, help with modern day society, and incredibly influential in the sciences. Without evolution most of your medicine wouldn't be here.

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