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MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2015,23:34   

Quote (NoName @ Oct. 25 2015,14:35)
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 25 2015,15:03)
Quote (NoName @ Oct. 25 2015,11:14)
 
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0 < P < 1...natural
1.111111111... ~ 1.4999999...instinct
1.5 < iProb < 3...intelligence
3...perfect intelligence
3+....importance

I'd like to point out, that he felt the need to write 1.4999.... tells me he think this is distinct from 1.5 which to anyone with basic understand in mathematics is obviously false, they are one and the same number.

Pretty sure that's not true.
Certainly there are many cases where it is not true nor treated as true.  I.e., computer software, where floats are always potentially imprecise.
1.4999999 does not test as equal to 1.5.

There is, however, the problem of interpretation -- given Edgar's apparent belief that punctuation and spacing (to say nothing of spelling, syntax, and semantics) are things that happen to other people.  He's above all that.
Which is nonsense, and contributes in no small measure to many of his absurd utterances.

however 1.4999999 is not 1.4999999.... where ... means "continued ad infinitum"

Very true.  But that interpretation of what Edgar has in "mind" by the usage is called into question by his usage of 3 dots after every number.
What does 3+... mean?  
Given that this is Edgar we're talking about, probably 'the cube root of trapezoid' ;-\

The +3 after "perfect intelligence" is I called "importance".

For example, in making a car, anybody can make a car (X)..

To make a car (X), a maker will use features (X's) of car(X)

The X's will be tire (a)...handle(b)...body©..this is naturen since the maker would like a car (X) to exist...

but to make it intellen...a maker may use an additional or different set of features (X's) like Made in Japan tire (1), steel body (2), and power-steering handle(3)..then, they are three X's..

but if a maker thinks the importance of its customer's safety and lives, then, additional X's will be added like

X' = safety belt
X' = air bag
X' = brake sensor
X' = studless tire... (total of four X's)

Then, the car will have  3 + 4 = 7X', then, the car is considered important intellen...

I hope you get me...

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,03:29   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 25 2015,23:34)
Quote (NoName @ Oct. 25 2015,14:35)
 
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 25 2015,15:03)
 
Quote (NoName @ Oct. 25 2015,11:14)
   
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 25 2015,11:59)
   
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0 < P < 1...natural
1.111111111... ~ 1.4999999...instinct
1.5 < iProb < 3...intelligence
3...perfect intelligence
3+....importance

I'd like to point out, that he felt the need to write 1.4999.... tells me he think this is distinct from 1.5 which to anyone with basic understand in mathematics is obviously false, they are one and the same number.

Pretty sure that's not true.
Certainly there are many cases where it is not true nor treated as true.  I.e., computer software, where floats are always potentially imprecise.
1.4999999 does not test as equal to 1.5.

There is, however, the problem of interpretation -- given Edgar's apparent belief that punctuation and spacing (to say nothing of spelling, syntax, and semantics) are things that happen to other people.  He's above all that.
Which is nonsense, and contributes in no small measure to many of his absurd utterances.

however 1.4999999 is not 1.4999999.... where ... means "continued ad infinitum"

Very true.  But that interpretation of what Edgar has in "mind" by the usage is called into question by his usage of 3 dots after every number.
What does 3+... mean?  
Given that this is Edgar we're talking about, probably 'the cube root of trapezoid' ;-\

The +3 after "perfect intelligence" is I called "importance".

For example, in making a car, anybody can make a car (X)..

To make a car (X), a maker will use features (X's) of car(X)

The X's will be tire (a)...handle(b)...body©..this is naturen since the maker would like a car (X) to exist...

but to make it intellen...a maker may use an additional or different set of features (X's) like Made in Japan tire (1), steel body (2), and power-steering handle(3)..then, they are three X's..

but if a maker thinks the importance of its customer's safety and lives, then, additional X's will be added like

X' = safety belt
X' = air bag
X' = brake sensor
X' = studless tire... (total of four X's)

Then, the car will have  3 + 4 = 7X', then, the car is considered important intellen...

I hope you get me...

It hurts.

Edited by sparc on Oct. 26 2015,04:02

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MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,03:54   

Quote (sparc @ Oct. 26 2015,03:29)
[quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 25 2015,23:34] [quote=NoName,Oct. 25 2015,14:35]  [quote=EmperorZelos,Oct. 25 2015,15:03]   [quote=NoName,Oct. 25 2015,11:14]    [quote=EmperorZelos,Oct. 25 2015,11:59]  
It hurt's.

?????????????????

  
ChemiCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,05:22   

Quote
For example, in making a car, anybody can make a car (X)..

To make a car (X), a maker will use features (X's) of car(X)

The X's will be tire (a)...handle(b)...body©..this is naturen since the maker would like a car (X) to exist...

but to make it intellen...a maker may use an additional or different set of features (X's) like Made in Japan tire (1), steel body (2), and power-steering handle(3)..then, they are three X's..

but if a maker thinks the importance of its customer's safety and lives, then, additional X's will be added like

X' = safety belt
X' = air bag
X' = brake sensor
X' = studless tire... (total of four X's)

Then, the car will have  3 + 4 = 7X', then, the car is considered important intellen...

I hope you get me...


All you have shown is that *X* has many values making your maths an invalid construct. So tell us, Oh Great One, how do we solve your X' to any value?

ps Can you ask Santa Claus to send me an Aston Martin (any model) for Christmas...

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,08:35   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 26 2015,11:54)
[quote=sparc,Oct. 26 2015,03:29][quote=MrIntelligentDesign,Oct. 25 2015,23:34] [quote=NoName,Oct. 25 2015,14:35]  [quote=EmperorZelos,Oct. 25 2015,15:03]   [quote=NoName,Oct. 25 2015,11:14]    
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 25 2015,11:59)
 
It hurt's.

?????????????????



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EmperorZelos



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,09:11   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 25 2015,23:34)
The +3 after "perfect intelligence" is I called "importance".

For example, in making a car, anybody can make a car (X)..

To make a car (X), a maker will use features (X's) of car(X)

The X's will be tire (a)...handle(b)...body©..this is naturen since the maker would like a car (X) to exist...

but to make it intellen...a maker may use an additional or different set of features (X's) like Made in Japan tire (1), steel body (2), and power-steering handle(3)..then, they are three X's..

but if a maker thinks the importance of its customer's safety and lives, then, additional X's will be added like

X' = safety belt
X' = air bag
X' = brake sensor
X' = studless tire... (total of four X's)

Then, the car will have  3 + 4 = 7X', then, the car is considered important intellen...

I hope you get me...

If this is what you call mathematics, then I will, as a mathematician, give you a big fat F and send you back to kindergarden.

  
dazz



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,09:44   

Postardo may not be very good at English and that's fine, but his mathematical illiteracy is inexcusable for a scientist

There's no excuse to write something like this

Quote
3 + 4 = 7X'


which actually resolves to X' = 1, obviously.

Does that mean that seat belts and airbags are "naturen"?

Well, of course everything coming out of Postardo's brain is meaningless BS, but his torturing of mathematics is particularly embarrassing

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,10:37   

Quote (dazz @ Oct. 26 2015,17:44)
Postardo may not be very good at English and that's fine, but his mathematical illiteracy is inexcusable for a scientist

There's no excuse to write something like this

Quote
3 + 4 = 7X'


which actually resolves to X' = 1, obviously.

Does that mean that seat belts and airbags are "naturen"?

Well, of course everything coming out of Postardo's brain is meaningless BS, but his torturing of mathematics is particularly embarrassing

Maybe he's working for Honda which would explain their multi-billion$ airbag fail.

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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,12:34   

Quote
The +3 after "perfect intelligence" is I called "importance".

For example, in making a car, anybody can make a car (X)..

To make a car (X), a maker will use features (X's) of car(X)

The X's will be tire (a)...handle(b)...body©..this is naturen since the maker would like a car (X) to exist...

but to make it intellen...a maker may use an additional or different set of features (X's) like Made in Japan tire (1), steel body (2), and power-steering handle(3)..then, they are three X's..

but if a maker thinks the importance of its customer's safety and lives, then, additional X's will be added like

X' = safety belt
X' = air bag
X' = brake sensor
X' = studless tire... (total of four X's)

Then, the car will have  3 + 4 = 7X', then, the car is considered important intellen...

I hope you get me...


This is painful on so many levels.

No, not anyone can make a car.

Early cars lacked handles.  (Did you mean steering wheel?)

So basic cars don't have to have engines?!

How does a 'Made in Japan' tyre raise a car above a plain old tyre?

Whatever the definition of "naturen" is, there's no way to include cars as naturen and have a sensible concept left over.

X' could stand for any accessory, but if you have a second accessory that would have to be X'', and a third is X''', or X subscript 1,  X subscript 2, etc., or A, B, C, D, ..... for different additions.

Your math does not confer confidence in your engineering, although no doubt you'd be a welcome addition at any office where they need someone to fetch paperclips.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,12:53   

Yup.  He has a categorization scheme, not an explanation.
His categorization scheme is useless for it produces both false positives and false negatives.
And that's after ignoring its ad hoc and essentially magical basis.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,13:01   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 26 2015,00:34)
 
Quote (NoName @ Oct. 25 2015,14:35)
 
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 25 2015,15:03)
   
Quote (NoName @ Oct. 25 2015,11:14)
   
Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 25 2015,11:59)
     
Quote
0 < P < 1...natural
1.111111111... ~ 1.4999999...instinct
1.5 < iProb < 3...intelligence
3...perfect intelligence
3+....importance

I'd like to point out, that he felt the need to write 1.4999.... tells me he think this is distinct from 1.5 which to anyone with basic understand in mathematics is obviously false, they are one and the same number.

Pretty sure that's not true.
Certainly there are many cases where it is not true nor treated as true.  I.e., computer software, where floats are always potentially imprecise.
1.4999999 does not test as equal to 1.5.

There is, however, the problem of interpretation -- given Edgar's apparent belief that punctuation and spacing (to say nothing of spelling, syntax, and semantics) are things that happen to other people.  He's above all that.
Which is nonsense, and contributes in no small measure to many of his absurd utterances.

however 1.4999999 is not 1.4999999.... where ... means "continued ad infinitum"

Very true.  But that interpretation of what Edgar has in "mind" by the usage is called into question by his usage of 3 dots after every number.
What does 3+... mean?  
Given that this is Edgar we're talking about, probably 'the cube root of trapezoid' ;-\

The +3 after "perfect intelligence" is I called "importance".

...
I hope you get me...

Oh, we get you.  That's why we mock you.  

What you posted was responsive to neither the question nor the issue.  "3+" is not inherently ludicrous.
"3+..." is.
Assuming you understand the mathematical significance of "...".
One rather doubts that you do.

And "+3" does not appear in the material under discussion.  Further evidence that you have zero analytical skill or ability.  Your mental processes are appallingly careless.

  
jeffox



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,13:03   

1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do . . . .

(He won't get it)

:)  :)  :)

  
EmperorZelos



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,14:06   

Quote (jeffox @ Oct. 26 2015,13:03)
1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do . . . .

(He won't get it)

:)  :)  :)

Please, he couldn't catch the moon even if it was aiming for him as it fell.

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,21:20   

Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 26 2015,14:06)
Quote (jeffox @ Oct. 26 2015,13:03)
1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do . . . .

(He won't get it)

:)  :)  :)

Please, he couldn't catch the moon even if it was aiming for him as it fell.

LOL!!!

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,21:21   

Quote (jeffox @ Oct. 26 2015,13:03)
1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do . . . .

(He won't get it)

:)  :)  :)

LOL!!!

Galileo was alone when he said that the earth revolves around the sun...it doesn't mean that he was wrong..

My discoveries will be the same...

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,21:22   

Quote (EmperorZelos @ Oct. 26 2015,09:11)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 25 2015,23:34)
The +3 after "perfect intelligence" is I called "importance".

For example, in making a car, anybody can make a car (X)..

To make a car (X), a maker will use features (X's) of car(X)

The X's will be tire (a)...handle(b)...body©..this is naturen since the maker would like a car (X) to exist...

but to make it intellen...a maker may use an additional or different set of features (X's) like Made in Japan tire (1), steel body (2), and power-steering handle(3)..then, they are three X's..

but if a maker thinks the importance of its customer's safety and lives, then, additional X's will be added like

X' = safety belt
X' = air bag
X' = brake sensor
X' = studless tire... (total of four X's)

Then, the car will have  3 + 4 = 7X', then, the car is considered important intellen...

I hope you get me...

If this is what you call mathematics, then I will, as a mathematician, give you a big fat F and send you back to kindergarden.

LOL!!!!!

That is not mathematics but an explanation of limit...

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,21:23   

Quote (dazz @ Oct. 26 2015,09:44)
Postardo may not be very good at English and that's fine, but his mathematical illiteracy is inexcusable for a scientist

There's no excuse to write something like this

Quote
3 + 4 = 7X'


which actually resolves to X' = 1, obviously.

Does that mean that seat belts and airbags are "naturen"?

Well, of course everything coming out of Postardo's brain is meaningless BS, but his torturing of mathematics is particularly embarrassing

I don't have time to detail them here since I am a very busy person, thus, take it or leave it..it doesn't change the fact that I have science and you have only religion...

  
dazz



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,21:26   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 27 2015,04:23)
Quote (dazz @ Oct. 26 2015,09:44)
Postardo may not be very good at English and that's fine, but his mathematical illiteracy is inexcusable for a scientist

There's no excuse to write something like this

 
Quote
3 + 4 = 7X'


which actually resolves to X' = 1, obviously.

Does that mean that seat belts and airbags are "naturen"?

Well, of course everything coming out of Postardo's brain is meaningless BS, but his torturing of mathematics is particularly embarrassing

I don't have time to detail them here since I am a very busy person, thus, take it or leave it..it doesn't change the fact that I have science and you have only religion...

You're in full tard loop mode, huh?

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,21:27   

Quote (ChemiCat @ Oct. 26 2015,05:22)
Quote
For example, in making a car, anybody can make a car (X)..

To make a car (X), a maker will use features (X's) of car(X)

The X's will be tire (a)...handle(b)...body©..this is naturen since the maker would like a car (X) to exist...

but to make it intellen...a maker may use an additional or different set of features (X's) like Made in Japan tire (1), steel body (2), and power-steering handle(3)..then, they are three X's..

but if a maker thinks the importance of its customer's safety and lives, then, additional X's will be added like

X' = safety belt
X' = air bag
X' = brake sensor
X' = studless tire... (total of four X's)

Then, the car will have  3 + 4 = 7X', then, the car is considered important intellen...

I hope you get me...


All you have shown is that *X* has many values making your maths an invalid construct. So tell us, Oh Great One, how do we solve your X' to any value?

ps Can you ask Santa Claus to send me an Aston Martin (any model) for Christmas...

Well, please read this from one of my science books: (The New Intelligent Design <id>, Turning The Scientific World Upside Down)
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SECTION 17.
HOW TO “INTELLIGENCE”



P1/P10Now that we had already discussed Mathematics of intelligence for Intelligent Design <id>, it is now time for us to know how we can use “intelligence” in reality. I put this topic here since I believed that we will never fully understand intelligence if we neglect Mathematics. In addition, we will never fully understand completely the natural realm if we neglect the topic of “intelligence”. So, let us roll. Let us “do intelligence”.

P2First, let us study the obvious objects (X). “Why we consider PCs or computers are intelligently designed objects (intellen)?” In our present time, we know that computers are being produced or designed by people who are using the knowledge of computing and intelligence. Thus, we agree that computers are intelligently designed objects. PCs are all intelligently designed objects, an intellen. It is so obvious and it is so straightforward. By using the principles of Intelligent Design <id> on “HOW TO ‘INTELLIGENCE’”, the features, accompanied in the finished products of PCs that we normally see, are all “supports or reinforcements” to the term (that we normally use as) “PCs”. If we use mathematics, Intelligent Design <id> predicts that if we could find a minimum of three features (for perfect intelligence) with respect to the term “PC”, then, that PC is considered an intellen. If the features exceed three (3), then the PC is not only intellen but also an important intellen. Thus, X is PCs, and the X’s are the features of PCs – an asymmetrical phenomenon. Take note very carefully, that we could easily categorize and recognize PCs as intellen, since we are directly dealing with PCs for almost every day. We knew how and who made those PCs, thus, our categorization is always correct and scientific;

P3Second, let us study the obscure objects (X). I called them “obscure” since those objects are very hard to be detected and yet we deal with them directly. In addition, humans did not made/created/designed them since they are already existing before humans exist. The two examples are (in biology) life and the living organisms, and in physics or cosmology, the universe. Intelligent Design <id> had been claiming that “life” and “living organisms” are intelligently designed since “life” and its “support mechanisms” are detected. We could also detect and see that all living organisms are intelligently designed since they also have the same pattern of asymmetrical phenomenon. The pattern is: X = living organisms, X’ = components or structures of a living organisms. The universe is considered an intellen since Intelligent Design <id> had detected that matters have anti-matters, and particles have a dual nature – an unseeming properties if the universe is a naturen. As I said earlier, that if we include Mathematics, Intelligent Design <id> predicts that if the universe is intellen, we can find 2 or more X’ for the existence of physical universe. One X’ will be the existence of matter and anti-mater, the other X’ is the duality of particle, and the other X’ will be the existence of direction. If we study the universe further, we can add more X’. Thus, the universe is considered an intellen. It would the same to the living organisms. The presence of eyes, of ears, of feet, of sensory systems, of pain, etc are all X’ to the existence of living organisms. X’ in living organisms exceeds more than three (since three is considered a perfect intelligent, and more than three is considered important), thus, living organisms are not only intellen but also an important intellen;

P4Third, let us study the operose objects (X). I called them “operose” objects since it would take a keen and thorough scientific study of those objects in knowing if those objects are intellen or naturen. One example is, a "mountain", any mountain. If someone will ask, “Is this mountain intellen or naturen?” The question may seem absurd but since Intelligent Design <id> had claimed that <id> could categorize all X in the universe, then, <id> must do it. To solve this unseemingly weird question, (and if you would like to try this to any X that you want to know), the clues are in the definition of intelligence and the principles of intelligence. Here is again the definition of intelligence:

Intelligence is the principle of reinforcing an X to survive, to exist and to succeed in a certain degree of importance and it always acts on asymmetrical phenomenon.

P5Here is again the list of the principles of intelligence that Intelligent Design <id> had discovered and that had been using in this book and in reality.

Principle 1. The Principle of Asymmetry
Principle 2. The Principle of Reinforcement or Support
Principle 3. The Principle of Importance
Principle 4. The Principle of Simultaneity of or in Time
Principle 5. The Principle of Applied Knowledge
Principle 6. The Principle of Success or Independence
Principle 7. The Principle of Existence, Survival, Success, and Life
Principle 8. The Principle of Determinism

P6Intelligence, at least, requires an asymmetrical phenomenon and existence (two principles of intelligence), as criteria or requirements, in knowing X of its origin. Since intelligence deals with asymmetrical phenomenon, we need to know and study which X0 that could threat (asymmetrical phenomenon) the mountain of its existence. I mean, remember this, intelligent agent always apply the principles of intelligence (as enumerated above) in any X for existence, survival, success, or life. Thus, to know if the mountain is intellen, we have to find which X0 that could threat the mountain for non-existence or non-survival (a reversed process). (For reference, please use these variables: X0 here means threat to X. X’ is support to X. X is anything that we would like to study in the whole natural realm) By knowing the X0 that could threat the existence of X (like mountain); we could also find the X’ simultaneously since X’ is a support system to any X for existence. If we could not find X0, or if X0 is vague even though we made an experiment and study, then, the mountain is most certain a naturen.

P7Now, let us take Mt Rushmore as one example.


Figure 13. Mount Rushmore. [59]


P8In the above picture, the “mountain”, as Mt Rushmore (see Figure 13), contained four faces of the former US presidents. These features are X’ to the pattern X + X’. X = faces in the mountain, X’ = are the known faces in history in the mountain. Even though an ordinary person does not recognize the four faces specifically, that person will surely recognize that the carved faces in the rocks are faces of humans. How? By just looking at all directions with respect to the faces, one can surely tell or calculate that the occurrences of possibilities that those are human faces exceed more than three (3). Intelligent Design <id> predicted that if we could find three possibilities that the carved faces in the mountain are real human faces by just looking at the four faces, <id> predicts and categorizes it as intellen. Since we could see directly in all directions that the four faces resembles the faces of human beings, the occurrences of possibilities that those are real human faces will surely exceed three. Then, they are all considered an important intellen, and the mountain (Mt Rushmore) is considered an intellen. However, the existence of Mt Rushmore before the faces were carved is a naturen.

P9Let us use again the “living organism” as one example. I will be using this example because by using a very obvious example, we can easily understand how to use “intelligence” in real applications in real world. We knew that all living organisms have support mechanisms, whether those supports mechanisms are feet, eyes, skin, internal organs, or mind. For example, if we threat those living organisms for non-existence, it is expected that a living organism will somehow defend its existence or life by just negating away to the threat or fight back or any behavior that could save its existence. By including mathematics, if we threat a living organism for non-existence, <id> predicts that we can expect or see that a living organism will surely use its support mechanism (such as defense mechanisms, X’) for existence to counter-measure the threat. By numerically and empirically counting the counter-measures (defense mechanisms, for example), we can know if a living organism is an intellen if the calculated X’ exceeds to 1.5. Thus, in human, if we use human as one example, a human has ears, nose, eyes, hands, feet, mouth. In this example, I enumerated six-support mechanisms of human and since they exceed three, then human is considered an important intellen. I think that you already get the idea that I would like to convey.

P10/P10By experiment in dealing with nature and intelligence, I think that we can master this technique and use it for the advancements of human society toward a better living. After you understand the real intelligence and the contents of this book, you can now see how these discoveries from Intelligent Design <id> affect many fields in science such as in Biology, Physics, Philosophy, Psychology and so forth. You can now understand all of my remaining published science books that discussed these following fields in science.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,21:33   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 27 2015,05:27)
Quote (ChemiCat @ Oct. 26 2015,05:22)
Quote
For example, in making a car, anybody can make a car (X)..

To make a car (X), a maker will use features (X's) of car(X)

The X's will be tire (a)...handle(b)...body©..this is naturen since the maker would like a car (X) to exist...

but to make it intellen...a maker may use an additional or different set of features (X's) like Made in Japan tire (1), steel body (2), and power-steering handle(3)..then, they are three X's..

but if a maker thinks the importance of its customer's safety and lives, then, additional X's will be added like

X' = safety belt
X' = air bag
X' = brake sensor
X' = studless tire... (total of four X's)

Then, the car will have  3 + 4 = 7X', then, the car is considered important intellen...

I hope you get me...


All you have shown is that *X* has many values making your maths an invalid construct. So tell us, Oh Great One, how do we solve your X' to any value?

ps Can you ask Santa Claus to send me an Aston Martin (any model) for Christmas...

Well, please read this from one of my science books: (The New Intelligent Design <id>, Turning The Scientific World Upside Down)
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SECTION 17.
HOW TO “INTELLIGENCE”



P1/P10Now that we had already discussed Mathematics of intelligence for Intelligent Design <id>, it is now time for us to know how we can use “intelligence” in reality. I put this topic here since I believed that we will never fully understand intelligence if we neglect Mathematics. In addition, we will never fully understand completely the natural realm if we neglect the topic of “intelligence”. So, let us roll. Let us “do intelligence”.

P2First, let us study the obvious objects (X). “Why we consider PCs or computers are intelligently designed objects (intellen)?” In our present time, we know that computers are being produced or designed by people who are using the knowledge of computing and intelligence. Thus, we agree that computers are intelligently designed objects. PCs are all intelligently designed objects, an intellen. It is so obvious and it is so straightforward. By using the principles of Intelligent Design <id> on “HOW TO ‘INTELLIGENCE’”, the features, accompanied in the finished products of PCs that we normally see, are all “supports or reinforcements” to the term (that we normally use as) “PCs”. If we use mathematics, Intelligent Design <id> predicts that if we could find a minimum of three features (for perfect intelligence) with respect to the term “PC”, then, that PC is considered an intellen. If the features exceed three (3), then the PC is not only intellen but also an important intellen. Thus, X is PCs, and the X’s are the features of PCs – an asymmetrical phenomenon. Take note very carefully, that we could easily categorize and recognize PCs as intellen, since we are directly dealing with PCs for almost every day. We knew how and who made those PCs, thus, our categorization is always correct and scientific;

P3Second, let us study the obscure objects (X). I called them “obscure” since those objects are very hard to be detected and yet we deal with them directly. In addition, humans did not made/created/designed them since they are already existing before humans exist. The two examples are (in biology) life and the living organisms, and in physics or cosmology, the universe. Intelligent Design <id> had been claiming that “life” and “living organisms” are intelligently designed since “life” and its “support mechanisms” are detected. We could also detect and see that all living organisms are intelligently designed since they also have the same pattern of asymmetrical phenomenon. The pattern is: X = living organisms, X’ = components or structures of a living organisms. The universe is considered an intellen since Intelligent Design <id> had detected that matters have anti-matters, and particles have a dual nature – an unseeming properties if the universe is a naturen. As I said earlier, that if we include Mathematics, Intelligent Design <id> predicts that if the universe is intellen, we can find 2 or more X’ for the existence of physical universe. One X’ will be the existence of matter and anti-mater, the other X’ is the duality of particle, and the other X’ will be the existence of direction. If we study the universe further, we can add more X’. Thus, the universe is considered an intellen. It would the same to the living organisms. The presence of eyes, of ears, of feet, of sensory systems, of pain, etc are all X’ to the existence of living organisms. X’ in living organisms exceeds more than three (since three is considered a perfect intelligent, and more than three is considered important), thus, living organisms are not only intellen but also an important intellen;

P4Third, let us study the operose objects (X). I called them “operose” objects since it would take a keen and thorough scientific study of those objects in knowing if those objects are intellen or naturen. One example is, a "mountain", any mountain. If someone will ask, “Is this mountain intellen or naturen?” The question may seem absurd but since Intelligent Design <id> had claimed that <id> could categorize all X in the universe, then, <id> must do it. To solve this unseemingly weird question, (and if you would like to try this to any X that you want to know), the clues are in the definition of intelligence and the principles of intelligence. Here is again the definition of intelligence:

Intelligence is the principle of reinforcing an X to survive, to exist and to succeed in a certain degree of importance and it always acts on asymmetrical phenomenon.

P5Here is again the list of the principles of intelligence that Intelligent Design <id> had discovered and that had been using in this book and in reality.

Principle 1. The Principle of Asymmetry
Principle 2. The Principle of Reinforcement or Support
Principle 3. The Principle of Importance
Principle 4. The Principle of Simultaneity of or in Time
Principle 5. The Principle of Applied Knowledge
Principle 6. The Principle of Success or Independence
Principle 7. The Principle of Existence, Survival, Success, and Life
Principle 8. The Principle of Determinism

P6Intelligence, at least, requires an asymmetrical phenomenon and existence (two principles of intelligence), as criteria or requirements, in knowing X of its origin. Since intelligence deals with asymmetrical phenomenon, we need to know and study which X0 that could threat (asymmetrical phenomenon) the mountain of its existence. I mean, remember this, intelligent agent always apply the principles of intelligence (as enumerated above) in any X for existence, survival, success, or life. Thus, to know if the mountain is intellen, we have to find which X0 that could threat the mountain for non-existence or non-survival (a reversed process). (For reference, please use these variables: X0 here means threat to X. X’ is support to X. X is anything that we would like to study in the whole natural realm) By knowing the X0 that could threat the existence of X (like mountain); we could also find the X’ simultaneously since X’ is a support system to any X for existence. If we could not find X0, or if X0 is vague even though we made an experiment and study, then, the mountain is most certain a naturen.

P7Now, let us take Mt Rushmore as one example.


Figure 13. Mount Rushmore. [59]


P8In the above picture, the “mountain”, as Mt Rushmore (see Figure 13), contained four faces of the former US presidents. These features are X’ to the pattern X + X’. X = faces in the mountain, X’ = are the known faces in history in the mountain. Even though an ordinary person does not recognize the four faces specifically, that person will surely recognize that the carved faces in the rocks are faces of humans. How? By just looking at all directions with respect to the faces, one can surely tell or calculate that the occurrences of possibilities that those are human faces exceed more than three (3). Intelligent Design <id> predicted that if we could find three possibilities that the carved faces in the mountain are real human faces by just looking at the four faces, <id> predicts and categorizes it as intellen. Since we could see directly in all directions that the four faces resembles the faces of human beings, the occurrences of possibilities that those are real human faces will surely exceed three. Then, they are all considered an important intellen, and the mountain (Mt Rushmore) is considered an intellen. However, the existence of Mt Rushmore before the faces were carved is a naturen.

P9Let us use again the “living organism” as one example. I will be using this example because by using a very obvious example, we can easily understand how to use “intelligence” in real applications in real world. We knew that all living organisms have support mechanisms, whether those supports mechanisms are feet, eyes, skin, internal organs, or mind. For example, if we threat those living organisms for non-existence, it is expected that a living organism will somehow defend its existence or life by just negating away to the threat or fight back or any behavior that could save its existence. By including mathematics, if we threat a living organism for non-existence, <id> predicts that we can expect or see that a living organism will surely use its support mechanism (such as defense mechanisms, X’) for existence to counter-measure the threat. By numerically and empirically counting the counter-measures (defense mechanisms, for example), we can know if a living organism is an intellen if the calculated X’ exceeds to 1.5. Thus, in human, if we use human as one example, a human has ears, nose, eyes, hands, feet, mouth. In this example, I enumerated six-support mechanisms of human and since they exceed three, then human is considered an important intellen. I think that you already get the idea that I would like to convey.

P10/P10By experiment in dealing with nature and intelligence, I think that we can master this technique and use it for the advancements of human society toward a better living. After you understand the real intelligence and the contents of this book, you can now see how these discoveries from Intelligent Design <id> affect many fields in science such as in Biology, Physics, Philosophy, Psychology and so forth. You can now understand all of my remaining published science books that discussed these following fields in science.

Holy crap if this goes on he'll reprint his whole useless miserable books and then you'll have read them. Don't encourage him.

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"I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit
"ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus
"I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,21:37   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 26 2015,21:21)
Quote (jeffox @ Oct. 26 2015,13:03)
1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do . . . .

(He won't get it)

:)  :)  :)

LOL!!!

Galileo was alone when he said that the earth revolves around the sun...it doesn't mean that he was wrong..

My discoveries will be the same...

You're as good at history as you are at science.

But yeah, you're discoveries will the same as your understanding of Galileo, counterfactual, dumb, and disconnected from reality.

Glen Davidson

ps--Are you really unaware of Copernicus?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,22:01   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 26 2015,21:37)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 26 2015,21:21)
 
Quote (jeffox @ Oct. 26 2015,13:03)
1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do . . . .

(He won't get it)

:)  :)  :)

LOL!!!

Galileo was alone when he said that the earth revolves around the sun...it doesn't mean that he was wrong..

My discoveries will be the same...

You're as good at history as you are at science.

But yeah, you're discoveries will the same as your understanding of Galileo, counterfactual, dumb, and disconnected from reality.

Glen Davidson

ps--Are you really unaware of Copernicus?

Of course, I knew Copernicus but I am using Galileo since he fought religious people like you...

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,22:12   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 27 2015,05:01)
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 26 2015,21:37)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 26 2015,21:21)
 
Quote (jeffox @ Oct. 26 2015,13:03)
1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do . . . .

(He won't get it)

:)  :)  :)

LOL!!!

Galileo was alone when he said that the earth revolves around the sun...it doesn't mean that he was wrong..

My discoveries will be the same...

You're as good at history as you are at science.

But yeah, you're discoveries will the same as your understanding of Galileo, counterfactual, dumb, and disconnected from reality.

Glen Davidson

ps--Are you really unaware of Copernicus?

Of course, I knew Copernicus but I am using Galileo since he fought religious people like you...

You're no Galileo, nobody is shutting you down. You have your books published, you have a myriad of forum posts.. etc..  It's just that nobody cares for your crap dude. you're simply an insignificant little retard

Deal with it

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,23:06   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 26 2015,22:01)
Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 26 2015,21:37)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 26 2015,21:21)
 
Quote (jeffox @ Oct. 26 2015,13:03)
1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do . . . .

(He won't get it)

:)  :)  :)

LOL!!!

Galileo was alone when he said that the earth revolves around the sun...it doesn't mean that he was wrong..

My discoveries will be the same...

You're as good at history as you are at science.

But yeah, you're discoveries will the same as your understanding of Galileo, counterfactual, dumb, and disconnected from reality.

Glen Davidson

ps--Are you really unaware of Copernicus?

Of course, I knew Copernicus but I am using Galileo since he fought religious people like you...

So you miss yet again the fact that your statement was completely wrong?

God you're dumb.  

Religious liar, are you too stupid to understand the difference between religion and non-religion, or just lying about that, too?

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,23:11   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 26 2015,21:21)
Quote (jeffox @ Oct. 26 2015,13:03)
1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do . . . .

(He won't get it)

:)  :)  :)

LOL!!!

Galileo was alone when he said that the earth revolves around the sun...it doesn't mean that he was wrong..

My discoveries will be the same...

Comparing oneself with Gallileo, typical sign of cranks

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,23:38   

Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 26 2015,21:21)
Quote (jeffox @ Oct. 26 2015,13:03)
1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do . . . .

(He won't get it)

:)  :)  :)

LOL!!!

Galileo was alone when he said that the earth revolves around the sun...it doesn't mean that he was wrong..

My discoveries will be the same...

According to Baez this is again a full 40!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2015,23:50   

Galileo, patron saint of cranks and pseudoscientists.

Not his fault, but unfortunately the occasional Wegener (whose theory wasn't really correct enough yet for science, but didn't deserve the disparagement it got either) or Galileo ends up giving a whole lot of hope to people who have no appreciation for the fact that they used genuine facts and data to back up their claims.

Galileo is a good figure for them to bring up, actually, only they're his anti-science opponents.

Glen Davidson

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MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2015,03:43   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 26 2015,23:50)
Galileo, patron saint of cranks and pseudoscientists.

Not his fault, but unfortunately the occasional Wegener (whose theory wasn't really correct enough yet for science, but didn't deserve the disparagement it got either) or Galileo ends up giving a whole lot of hope to people who have no appreciation for the fact that they used genuine facts and data to back up their claims.

Galileo is a good figure for them to bring up, actually, only they're his anti-science opponents.

Glen Davidson

Bring your another version of the universal intelligence and let us fight intellectually OR SHUT UP and support me..

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2015,03:43   

Quote (sparc @ Oct. 26 2015,23:38)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 26 2015,21:21)
Quote (jeffox @ Oct. 26 2015,13:03)
1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do . . . .

(He won't get it)

:)  :)  :)

LOL!!!

Galileo was alone when he said that the earth revolves around the sun...it doesn't mean that he was wrong..

My discoveries will be the same...

According to Baez this is again a full 40!

Baez has no clue on intelligence, thus, he is also dumb like you..

  
MrIntelligentDesign



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2015,03:44   

Quote (Glen Davidson @ Oct. 26 2015,21:37)
Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 26 2015,21:21)
 
Quote (jeffox @ Oct. 26 2015,13:03)
1 is the loneliest number that you'll ever do . . . .

(He won't get it)

:)  :)  :)

LOL!!!

Galileo was alone when he said that the earth revolves around the sun...it doesn't mean that he was wrong..

My discoveries will be the same...

You're as good at history as you are at science.

But yeah, you're discoveries will the same as your understanding of Galileo, counterfactual, dumb, and disconnected from reality.

Glen Davidson

ps--Are you really unaware of Copernicus?

YOU HAVE NO SCIENCE and that it is!

You have religion only...

  
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