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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2021,07:05   

TROUBLE IN PARADISE

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Jack
August 13, 2021 at 10:42 pm
KF, the phantom you worship is a monster.

Who tortures fallible persons forever.

You should be ashamed for worshipping such a monster (who doesn’t exist.)

Shame on you.

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Kairosfocus
August 13, 2021 at 10:53 pm
Jack, these fallacious accusations have long since been adequately answered and those perplexed are directed to sites that have answers to village atheist, evil bible type objections as part of their remit, try Reasonable Faith, Paul Copan and others. There is no good reason to go into a crocodile death roll on them again. You have here chosen to pose needless toxic distractors and to insist on them in the face of appeal to return to reasonable discussion. That’s sad. KF

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Jack
August 13, 2021 at 11:03 pm
Kf,

Shut up. You;re just making a fool of yourself.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2021,11:01   

Ivermectin, the latest supposed treatment for COVID-19 being touted by anti-vaccination groups, had "no effect whatsoever" on the disease, according to a large patient study.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2021,11:03   

I’m sure the rational, science-educated commenters at UD will somberly revise their expectations now.


   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 14 2021,15:43   

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   Please stop saying you "researched it."

   You didn't research anything and its highly probable that you dont even know how to do so.

   Did you compile a literature review and write abstracts on each article? Or better yet, did you collect a random sample of sources and perform independent probability statistics on the reported results? No?

   Did you at least take each article, one by one and look into the source ( that would be the author, publisher and funder), then critique the writing for logical fallacies, cognitive distortions and plain inaccuracies.

   Did you ask yourself why this source might publish these particular results? Did you follow the trail of references and apply the same source of scrutiny to them?

   No? Then you didnt fucking research anything. You read or watched a video, most likely with little to no objectivity. You came across something in your algorithm manipulated feed, something that jived with your implicit biases and served your confirmation bias, and subconsciously applied your emotional filters and called it proof.

   Scary.

   Linda Gamble Spadaro


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2021,07:44   

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At Mind Matters News: Researchers: Buddhist monks’ bodies decay very slowly at death

According to traditional meditation lore, they are in a meditative state (thukdam) until their consciousness is clear; only then does the body begins to decay. Neuroscientist Richard J. Davidson. saw it for himself, then organized a study of the phenomenon.

Posted onAugust 16, 2021 AuthorNews Comment(1)
'Junk DNA' Intelligent Design Religion

ENCODE foe Dan Graur isn’t sure if Jesus existed
Wow. Dr. Graur should get out more. Only crackpots argue that Jesus did not exist… There is less evidence for the existence of Socrates but no one gets all skeptical about him. Interesting responses.

Posted onAugust 15, 2021 AuthorNews Comments(6)
Intelligent Design Philosophy

William Lane Craig and Alvin Planting rank in Top Ten of world philosophers
Craig: What is especially significant is that these rankings are not just someone’s subjective opinion but are computed according to an algorithm that takes into account such objective data as number of citations of one’s work.

Posted onAugust 15, 2021 AuthorNews Comments(4)


Barry’s not getting his money’s worth  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2021,17:16   

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TROUBLE IN PARADISE

   
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Jack
August 13, 2021 at 10:42 pm
KF, the phantom you worship is a monster.

Who tortures fallible persons forever.

You should be ashamed for worshipping such a monster (who doesn’t exist.)

Shame on you.

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Kairosfocus
August 13, 2021 at 10:53 pm
Jack, these fallacious accusations have long since been adequately answered and those perplexed are directed to sites that have answers to village atheist, evil bible type objections as part of their remit, try Reasonable Faith, Paul Copan and others. There is no good reason to go into a crocodile death roll on them again. You have here chosen to pose needless toxic distractors and to insist on them in the face of appeal to return to reasonable discussion. That’s sad. KF

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Jack
August 13, 2021 at 11:03 pm
Kf,

Shut up. You;re just making a fool of yourself.


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WJM is just not having it either.

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William J Murray
August 14, 2021 at 5:30 am
Vivid & Jack,

IMO once you adopt the premises, the internal logic of Christianity is fine. Apologetics has been refining those arguments for centuries. Also, there’s evidence that supports Christianity, including the evidence of the experiences of countless Christians.

My fundamental issue with Christianity is that, even agreeing arguendo that it is all entirely true, (1) virtually nobody I love will be making it to that heaven; (2) absent a nearly complete mind-wipe of who I am as an individual, there’s no way I can possibly be happy there, and (3) I’d have to completely ignore a lifetime of experiences and dismiss them as delusional or from some “evil” influence.

The additional problem is, the premises themselves don’t make any sense to me. I understand this is just my personal reaction, but as Jack alluded to, under that premise I did not agree to any of this; from my perspective looking at the premises, I was deliberately forced into existence by a conscious, sentient being and forced into life in a system created by that being. I was given an unknown but very short period of time to make decisions that will determine my eternal fate after I die.

Even in law, making a decision under duress is not considered legally binding, yet from the moment I’m born until the day I die I would be living in constant existential duress under such a system. And, I’m supposed to love the person that did this to me with all my heart, and see it all as some wondrous gift to be grateful for?

As others here have said about MRT (which I understand and accept,) it’s not only that I cannot wrap my mind around that, I don’t even want to. I don’t ever want to be the person that figures out a way where deliberately forcing that kind of existence on others is okay with me, much less something those created people should be grateful for.

I apologize if Christians here find that perspective incendiary, but that is honestly how I see it. I realize Christians don’t see it that way, and I respect that perspective. It’s just one I will not choose to adopt for myself.


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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2021,06:12   

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August 16, 2021 at 5:12 am
Atheists not only deny the existence of Jesus, the Son of God, but Atheists also, first and foremost, deny the existence of God the Father.

Obviously you cannot have a Son of God if you do not first have God the Father to start with. You, as an atheist, might concede that a man existed who falsely imagined that he was the Son of God, but as to there ever actually being a Son of God, who performed miracles of healing and rose from the dead, well that possibility is simply ruled out from the get go by the Atheist’s denial of the reality of God the Father.

But what is interesting in their denial that God the Father really exists is that, in the Atheist’s denial of the existence of God the Father, the atheist, in the end, also ends up denying that he himself actually exists as a real person.

Which is to say, if God the Father does not actually exist as a real person then the atheist himself does not actually exist as a real person.

You don’t have to take my word for it. Steven Pinker, Professor of Psychology at Harvard University, states that, “the intuitive feeling we have that there’s an executive “I” that sits in a control room of our brain, scanning the screens of the senses and pushing the buttons of the muscles, is an illusion.”

The Brain: The Mystery of Consciousness – Steven Pinker – Monday, Jan. 29, 2007
Part II THE ILLUSION OF CONTROL
Another startling conclusion from the science of consciousness is that the intuitive feeling we have that there’s an executive “I” that sits in a control room of our brain, scanning the screens of the senses and pushing the buttons of the muscles, is an illusion.
http://www.academia.edu/279485.....ousness

And Alexander Rosenberg, Professor of Philosophy at Duke University, stated that, “There is no self in, around, or as part of anyone’s body. There can’t be. So there really isn’t any enduring self that ever could wake up morning after morning worrying about why it should bother getting out of bed. The self is just another illusion,”

“There is no self in, around, or as part of anyone’s body. There can’t be. So there really isn’t any enduring self that ever could wake up morning after morning worrying about why it should bother getting out of bed. The self is just another illusion, like the illusion that thought is about stuff or that we carry around plans and purposes that give meaning to what our body does. Every morning’s introspectively fantasized self is a new one, remarkably similar to the one that consciousness ceased fantasizing when we fell sleep sometime the night before. Whatever purpose yesterday’s self thought it contrived to set the alarm last night, today’s newly fictionalized self is not identical to yesterday’s. It’s on its own, having to deal with the whole problem of why to bother getting out of bed all over again.,,,
– A.Rosenberg, The Atheist’s Guide to Reality, ch.10

And at the 23:33 minute mark of the following debate, Richard Dawkins, who needs no introduction, agrees with materialistic philosophers who say that: “consciousness is an illusion”. A few minutes later Rowan Williams asks Dawkins ”If consciousness is an illusion…what isn’t?”.

Richard Dawkins, Rowan Williams, Anthony Kenny: “Human Beings & Ultimate Origin” Debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....=22m57s

The denial that they really exist as real persons is an interesting denial from Atheists since, as Rene Descartes pointed out, the fact that we really exist as real persons is, by far, the most certain thing we can possibly know about reality.

In his ‘method of doubt’, Rene Descartes, (i.e. “I think therefore I am!”), found that he could doubt the existence of all things, but he found that he could not doubt the fact that he existed in order to do the doubting in the first place. As Descartes explained, “we cannot doubt of our existence while we doubt….”

Method of Doubt
Excerpt: “Reason now leads me to think that I should hold back my assent from opinions which are not completely certain and indubitable just as carefully as I do from those which are patently false. So, for the purpose of rejecting all my opinions, it will be enough if I find in each of them at least some reason for doubt. (AT 7:18, CSM 2:12)
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries....ethDoub

Cogito, ergo sum
Cogito, ergo sum[a] is a Latin philosophical proposition by René Descartes usually translated into English as “I think, therefore I am”.[b] The phrase originally appeared in French as je pense, donc je suis in his Discourse on the Method, so as to reach a wider audience than Latin would have allowed.[1] It appeared in Latin in his later Principles of Philosophy. As Descartes explained, “we cannot doubt of our existence while we doubt….” A fuller version, articulated by Antoine Léonard Thomas, aptly captures Descartes’s intent: dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum (“I doubt, therefore I think, therefore I am”).[c][d] The concept is also sometimes known as the cogito.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......rgo_sum

And from the conclusion that he could only be certain of the fact that he really existed to do the doubting in the first place, Rene Descartes then went on to use that conclusion from his ‘method of doubt’ as a starting point to then argue for the existence of God.

René Descartes (1596—1650)
Excerpt:
5. God
a. The Causal Arguments
At the beginning of the Third Meditation only “I exist” and “I am a thinking thing” are beyond doubt and are, therefore, absolutely certain. From these intuitively grasped, absolutely certain truths, Descartes now goes on to deduce the existence of something other than himself, namely God.
https://www.iep.utm.edu/descart....t....4a

Yet Atheists insanely deny this most certain thing, (i.e. “I exist” and “I am a thinking thing”), that we can possibly know about reality and claim that we are merely neuronal illusions and that we, therefore, do not really exist as real people.

The reason why atheists are forced to, self refutingly, (in the deepest sense of being a self-refuting argument), claim that they do not really exist as real people, but that they are merely neuronal illusions, is because the entire concept of personhood is an abstract and immaterial concept that is simply irreducible to the ‘bottom up’ materialistic explanations of Darwinists.

Atheistic Materialism – Does Richard Dawkins Exist? Dr. Dennis Bonnette – video 37:51 minute mark
Quote: “It turns out that if every part of you, down to sub-atomic parts, are still what they were when they weren’t in you, in other words every ion,,, every single atom that was in the universe, that has now become part of your living body, is still what is was originally. It hasn’t undergone what metaphysicians call a ‘substantial change’. So you aren’t Richard Dawkins. You are just carbon and neon and sulfur and oxygen and all these individual atoms still.
You can spout a philosophy that says scientific materialism, but there aren’t any scientific materialists to pronounce it.,,, That’s why I think they find it kind of embarrassing to talk that way. Nobody wants to stand up there and say, “You know, I’m not really here”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....=37m51s

What Does It Mean to Say That Science & Religion Conflict? – M. Anthony Mills – April 16, 2018
Excerpt: Barr rightly observes that scientific atheists often unwittingly assume not just metaphysical naturalism but an even more controversial philosophical position: reductive materialism, which says all that exists is or is reducible to the material constituents postulated by our most fundamental physical theories.
As Barr points out, this implies not only that God does not exist — because God is not material — but that you do not exist. For you are not a material constituent postulated by any of our most fundamental physical theories; at best, you are an aggregate of those constituents, arranged in a particular way. Not just you, but tables, chairs, countries, countrymen, symphonies, jokes, legal contracts, moral judgments, and acts of courage or cowardice — all of these must be fully explicable in terms of those more fundamental, material constituents.
https://www.realclearreligion.org/article....ct.html

The claim that our sense of self, that is to say, our subjective conscious experience, is just a neuronal illusion is simply insane. As David Bentley Hart states in the following article, “Simply enough, you cannot suffer the illusion that you are conscious because illusions are possible only for conscious minds. This is so incandescently obvious that it is almost embarrassing to have to state it.”

The Illusionist – Daniel Dennett’s latest book marks five decades of majestic failure to explain consciousness. – 2017
Excerpt: “Simply enough, you cannot suffer the illusion that you are conscious because illusions are possible only for conscious minds. This is so incandescently obvious that it is almost embarrassing to have to state it.”
– David Bentley Hart
https://www.thenewatlantis.com/publica....sionist

By definition, illusions are NOT reality but are a merely distortions that pervert our true perceptions about reality.

So why in blue blazes should anyone care what these neuronal illusions, i.e. Darwinian Atheists, have to say about reality?,, Much less what these supposed neuronal illusions have to say about God the Father and/or about Jesus, i.e. God the Son? By their very own definition of their very own self as merely being neuronal illusions, they have simply disqualified themselves from ever having anything meaningful to say about reality.

So the Darwinian Atheist finds himself in quite the logical conundrum. In order for him to have anything meaningful to say about reality the atheist is forced to admit that he really exists as a real person, but for him to admit that he really exists as a real person is for him to admit that God must also necessary exist as a real person so as to be able ground the entire concept of ‘personhood’ in the first place.

Supplemental notes:

Putting together all the lines of evidence from quantum mechanics, the argument for God from consciousness can now be framed like this:

1. Consciousness either preceded all of material reality or is a ‘epi-phenomena’ of material reality (Jerry Coyne). or is an intrinsic property of material reality, (panpsychism, Philip Goff)
2. If consciousness is a ‘epi-phenomena’ of material reality (Jerry Coyne). or is an intrinsic property of material reality, (panpsychism, Philip Goff), then consciousness will be found to have no special position within material reality. Whereas conversely, if consciousness precedes material reality then consciousness will be found to have a special position within material reality.
3. Consciousness is found to have a special, even central, position within material reality.
4. Therefore, consciousness is found to precede material reality.

And here are eight intersecting lines of experimental evidence from quantum mechanics that show that consciousness must precede material reality: 1. Double Slit experiment, 2. Wigner’s Quantum Symmetries, 3. Recent confirmation of the Wigner’s friend thought experiment, 4. Wheeler’s Delayed Choice, 5. Leggett’s Inequalities, 6. Quantum Zeno effect, 7. Quantum Information theory, 8. Recent closing of the ‘Freedom of Choice’ loophole.

Related quotes from the founders of Quantum mechanics

“No, I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness.”
– Max Planck (1858–1947), one of the primary founders of quantum theory, The Observer, London, January 25, 1931

“Consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms. For consciousness is absolutely fundamental. It cannot be accounted for in terms of anything else.”
– Schroedinger, Erwin. 1984. “General Scientific and Popular Papers,” in Collected Papers, Vol. 4. Vienna: Austrian Academy of Sciences. Friedr. Vieweg & Sohn, Braunschweig/Wiesbaden. p. 334.?

“The principal argument against materialism is not that illustrated in the last two sections: that it is incompatible with quantum theory. The principal argument is that thought processes and consciousness are the primary concepts, that our knowledge of the external world is the content of our consciousness and that the consciousness, therefore, cannot be denied. On the contrary, logically, the external world could be denied—though it is not very practical to do so. In the words of Niels Bohr, “The word consciousness, applied to ourselves as well as to others, is indispensable when dealing with the human situation.” In view of all this, one may well wonder how materialism, the doctrine that “life could be explained by sophisticated combinations of physical and chemical laws,” could so long be accepted by the majority of scientists.”
– Eugene Wigner, Remarks on the Mind-Body Question, pp 167-177.

Verse:

Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses, “I Am That I Am.” And He said, “Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, ‘I Am hath sent me unto you.’”

John 8:58
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”
4 am Minnesota time he was typing this.

Somebody really should get this dude some psychiatric help

Edited by stevestory on Aug. 18 2021,07:14

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2021,08:01   

Well, unless God is an organic being, you can't have a son of God, either. Not if using the literal meaning of "son of".

(So no point reading past the 2nd paragraph. :D )

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2021,08:16   

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Well, unless God is an organic being, you can't have a son of God, either. Not if using the literal meaning of "son of".

(So no point reading past the 2nd paragraph. :D )

No point reading past the second line (i.e. the one after the comment number) really.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2021,08:27   

BatShit77:
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The reason why atheists are forced to, self refutingly, (in the deepest sense of being a self-refuting argument),
oh good I was worried it was in the shallow sense.  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2021,18:37   

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BatShit77:
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The reason why atheists are forced to, self refutingly, (in the deepest sense of being a self-refuting argument),
oh good I was worried it was in the shallow sense.  :p

BS77 is, as usual, pulling shit out of his ass (in the very deepest, darkest, sense of pulling shit out of his ass)

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2021,20:33   

Not a lot of the Uncommonly Dense today. I saw a couple of posts from Bob and a couple from Seversky, but otherwise, just a parade of morons like Silver Asiatic and mohammadmurnursyasurmaunerusmadsumsu.

Look at this gibberish from Silver: (my bolding)
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The other significant thing that Western atheist-secularists have tried to do is to destroy the power of religion among the people using all manner of immoral content in entertainment – basically the promulgation of pornography first, then related sexual disorders to follow.
This is a Marxist approach towards revolution in the culture and society. Islamic societies rebel (rightly) against this, and it has been an on-going problem for America in the Mideast, since America is perceived as promoters of immorality. America has become a global advocate for gay marriage for example, and this is (admirably) rejected in Islamic countries. The same is true for feminism which is a Marxist-styled revolution against family life, masculine virtue and childbearing.
Interestingly – I just looked it up – Afghanistan has the 4th highest birth rate in the world. That means it is a youthful society and family life is thriving (polygamy is a factor). The Western countries are aging and dying, with no belief in family or children. So, what values can they bring to a society that has a lot of children and big families?
I think women will want monogamy and probably birth control, but masculine societies will generally be stronger and more militaristic than effeminate. Multiple wives may balance that off though because men will be morally scattered over several women and children they have not bonded with. So that’s self-defeating.


Oh yeah, Afghanistan is thriving. Tens of thousands of people are desperately trying to fight their way into a C-17’s cargo hold out of there because it’s soooooo thriving. Seriously, how do you deal with dingbats like this?  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2021,22:54   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 20 2021,18:33)
Not a lot of the Uncommonly Dense today. I saw a couple of posts from Bob and a couple from Seversky, but otherwise, just a parade of morons like Silver Asiatic and mohammadmurnursyasurmaunerusmadsumsu.

Look at this gibberish from Silver: (my bolding)
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The other significant thing that Western atheist-secularists have tried to do is to destroy the power of religion among the people using all manner of immoral content in entertainment – basically the promulgation of pornography first, then related sexual disorders to follow.
This is a Marxist approach towards revolution in the culture and society. Islamic societies rebel (rightly) against this, and it has been an on-going problem for America in the Mideast, since America is perceived as promoters of immorality. America has become a global advocate for gay marriage for example, and this is (admirably) rejected in Islamic countries. The same is true for feminism which is a Marxist-styled revolution against family life, masculine virtue and childbearing.
Interestingly – I just looked it up – Afghanistan has the 4th highest birth rate in the world. That means it is a youthful society and family life is thriving (polygamy is a factor). The Western countries are aging and dying, with no belief in family or children. So, what values can they bring to a society that has a lot of children and big families?
I think women will want monogamy and probably birth control, but masculine societies will generally be stronger and more militaristic than effeminate. Multiple wives may balance that off though because men will be morally scattered over several women and children they have not bonded with. So that’s self-defeating.


Oh yeah, Afghanistan is thriving. Tens of thousands of people are desperately trying to fight their way into a C-17’s cargo hold out of there because it’s soooooo thriving. Seriously, how do you deal with dingbats like this?  :p

Just in case you ever had any doubt that UD is a nest of incels.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2021,04:50   

Quote (fnxtr @ Aug. 20 2021,17:54)
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 20 2021,18:33)
Not a lot of the Uncommonly Dense today. I saw a couple of posts from Bob and a couple from Seversky, but otherwise, just a parade of morons like Silver Asiatic and mohammadmurnursyasurmaunerusmadsumsu.

Look at this gibberish from Silver: (my bolding)  
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The other significant thing that Western atheist-secularists have tried to do is to destroy the power of religion among the people using all manner of immoral content in entertainment – basically the promulgation of pornography first, then related sexual disorders to follow.
This is a Marxist approach towards revolution in the culture and society. Islamic societies rebel (rightly) against this, and it has been an on-going problem for America in the Mideast, since America is perceived as promoters of immorality. America has become a global advocate for gay marriage for example, and this is (admirably) rejected in Islamic countries. The same is true for feminism which is a Marxist-styled revolution against family life, masculine virtue and childbearing.
Interestingly – I just looked it up – Afghanistan has the 4th highest birth rate in the world. That means it is a youthful society and family life is thriving (polygamy is a factor). The Western countries are aging and dying, with no belief in family or children. So, what values can they bring to a society that has a lot of children and big families?
I think women will want monogamy and probably birth control, but masculine societies will generally be stronger and more militaristic than effeminate. Multiple wives may balance that off though because men will be morally scattered over several women and children they have not bonded with. So that’s self-defeating.


Oh yeah, Afghanistan is thriving. Tens of thousands of people are desperately trying to fight their way into a C-17’s cargo hold out of there because it’s soooooo thriving. Seriously, how do you deal with dingbats like this?  :p

Just in case you ever had any doubt that UD is a nest of incels.

That made me wonder if any conversations of any real substance have ever happened at Uncommon Descent. I can't recall any but my memory isn't what it was and I am a bit biased, perhaps, though I hope not hyperskeptical. Not to say there haven't been many excellent contributions from Bob O'H and others but the ID viewpoint has remained elusive and vague to the point of non-existence.

Anyone able to point to something I've missed since 2005?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2021,07:31   

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Just in case you ever had any doubt that UD is a nest of incels.

My first thought isn’t incel, it’s that Silver is just another elderly man ranting about the gays, like KF.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2021,07:39   

Seriously, how senile do you have to be, to think that Afghanistan is “thriving”? It’s one of the most destitute countries in the world. Around the time the US invaded, the per-capita GDP was $179 per year.

   
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The main problem for Darwinists in explaining the Origin of Life, (and the main problem for Darwinian evolution in general), is explaining where the information in life came from.

Information Enigma – 22 minute video (Stephen Meyer – Doug Axe)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....cnLsF1g

“As the pioneering information theorist Henry Quastler once observed, “the creation of information is habitually associated with conscious activity.” And, of course, he was right. Whenever we find information—whether embedded in a radio signal, carved in a stone monument, written in a book or etched on a magnetic disc—and we trace it back to its source, invariably we come to mind, not merely a material process. Thus, the discovery of functionally specified, digitally encoded information along the spine of DNA, provides compelling positive evidence of the activity of a prior designing intelligence. This conclusion is not based upon what we don’t know. It is based upon what we do know from our uniform experience about the cause and effect structure of the world—specifically, what we know about what does, and does not, have the power to produce large amounts of specified information.”
– Stephen Meyer – Signature in the Cell – Response to Darrel Falk – 2009

Darwinian atheists simply have no clue how inanimate matter can possibly generate information. As Werner Gitt noted, “,,,there is no known law of nature and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter. ”

“A code system is always the result of a mental process (it requires an intelligent origin or inventor). It should be emphasized that matter as such is unable to generate any code. All experiences indicate that a thinking being voluntarily exercising his own free will, cognition, and creativity, is required. ,,,there is no known law of nature and no known sequence of events which can cause information to originate by itself in matter.”
– Werner Gitt 1997 In The Beginning Was Information pp. 64-67, 79, 107.” ?(The retired Dr Gitt was a director and professor at the German Federal Institute of Physics and Technology (Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt, Braunschweig), the Head of the Department of Information Technology.)

And as Paul Davies explained, “,,,in the same way that Chalmers identified qualia as central to the hard problem of consciousness. To that end we propose that the hard problem of life is the problem of how ‘information’ can affect the world.”

The “Hard Problem” of Life – Sara Imari Walker and Paul C.W. Davies – June 23, 2016
Excerpt: ,,,in the same way that Chalmers identified qualia as central to the hard problem of consciousness. To that end we propose that the hard problem of life is the problem of how ‘information’ can affect the world. In this essay we motivate both why the problem of information is central to explaining life and why it is hard, that is, why we suspect that a full resolution of the hard problem will not ultimately be reducible to known physical principles.,,,
,,, There are some indications for a potentially deep connection between information theory (which is not cast as a physical theory and instead quantifies the efficacy of communication through noisy channels), and thermodynamics, which is a branch of physics(5) due to the mathematical relationship between Shannon and Boltzmann entropies. Substantial work over the last decade has attempted to make this connection explicit, we point the reader to [22, 20] for recent reviews. Schrodinger was aware of this link in his deliberations on biology, and famously coined the term “negentropy” to describe life’s ability to seemingly violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics(6) . Yet he felt that something was missing, and that thermodynamic considerations alone are insufficient to explain life [26]:
“. . .living matter, while not eluding the ”laws of physics” as established up to date, is likely to involve ”other laws of physics” hitherto unknown . . . ”
– Erwin Schrodinger
,,,, Conclusions:
There are many difficult open problems in understanding the origin of life – such as the ‘tar paradox’ [2] and the fact that prebiotic chemistry is just plain hard to do. These problems differ qualitatively from the ‘hard problem of life’ as identified here. Most open problems associated with life’s origin such as these, while challenging right now, will likely ultimately reduce to known principles of physics and chemistry and therefore constitute by our definition “easy problems”. Here we have attempted to identify a core feature of life that won’t similarly be solved based on current paradigms – namely, that life seems distinct from other physical systems in how information affects the world (that is, that macrostates are causal).,,,
To quote Einstein, ‘One can best feel in dealing with living things how primitive physics still is.’
( A. Einstein, letter to L. Szilard quoted in [25]).
http://arxiv.org/pdf....4v1.pdf

As Paul Davies also mentioned, “There are some indications for a potentially deep connection between information theory,,,, and thermodynamics, which is a branch of physics(5) due to the mathematical relationship between Shannon and Boltzmann entropies.”

And this ‘deep connection’ between entropy and information has now been experimentally realized.

As the following 2010 experiment found, “they coaxed a Brownian particle to travel upwards on a “spiral-staircase-like” potential energy created by an electric field solely on the basis of information on its location. As the particle traveled up the staircase it gained energy from moving to an area of higher potential, and the team was able to measure precisely how much energy had been converted from information.”

Maxwell’s demon demonstration (knowledge of a particle’s position) turns information into energy – November 2010
Excerpt: Scientists in Japan are the first to have succeeded in converting information into free energy in an experiment that verifies the “Maxwell demon” thought experiment devised in 1867.,,, In Maxwell’s thought experiment the demon creates a temperature difference simply from information about the gas molecule temperatures and without transferring any energy directly to them.,,, Until now, demonstrating the conversion of information to energy has been elusive, but University of Tokyo physicist Masaki Sano and colleagues have succeeded in demonstrating it in a nano-scale experiment. In a paper published in Nature Physics they describe how they coaxed a Brownian particle to travel upwards on a “spiral-staircase-like” potential energy created by an electric field solely on the basis of information on its location. As the particle traveled up the staircase it gained energy from moving to an area of higher potential, and the team was able to measure precisely how much energy had been converted from information.
http://www.physorg.com/news....gy.html

As Christopher Jarzynski, who was instrumental in formulating the ‘equation to define the amount of energy that could theoretically be converted from a unit of information’, stated, “This is a beautiful experimental demonstration that information has a thermodynamic content,”

Demonic device converts information to energy – 2010
Excerpt: “This is a beautiful experimental demonstration that information has a thermodynamic content,” says Christopher Jarzynski, a statistical chemist at the University of Maryland in College Park. In 1997, Jarzynski formulated an equation to define the amount of energy that could theoretically be converted from a unit of information2; the work by Sano and his team has now confirmed this equation. “This tells us something new about how the laws of thermodynamics work on the microscopic scale,” says Jarzynski.
http://www.scientificamerican......rts-inform/....-inform

In. short, it is now experimentally shown that, when dealing with immaterial information, we are not dealing with some abstract, non-physical, entity that has no causal effect on the material world but are in fact deal with an immaterial entity that has a quanta-unquote “thermodynamic content”.

Even more provocative than that experimental finding that linked together entropy and information, advances in quantum information theory have now shown that, quote-unquote, “an object does not have a certain amount of entropy per se, instead an object’s entropy is always dependent on the observer”

Quantum knowledge cools computers: New understanding of entropy – June 1, 2011
Excerpt: The new study revisits Landauer’s principle for cases when the values of the bits to be deleted may be known. When the memory content is known, it should be possible to delete the bits in such a manner that it is theoretically possible to re-create them. It has previously been shown that such reversible deletion would generate no heat. In the new paper, the researchers go a step further. They show that when the bits to be deleted are quantum-mechanically entangled with the state of an observer, then the observer could even withdraw heat from the system while deleting the bits. Entanglement links the observer’s state to that of the computer in such a way that they know more about the memory than is possible in classical physics.,,,
In measuring entropy, one should bear in mind that an object does not have a certain amount of entropy per se, instead an object’s entropy is always dependent on the observer. Applied to the example of deleting data, this means that if two individuals delete data in a memory and one has more knowledge of this data, she perceives the memory to have lower entropy and can then delete the memory using less energy.,,,
http://www.sciencedaily.com/re.........300.htm

And as the following article 2017 stated, “Now in (quantum) information theory, we wouldn’t say entropy is a property of a system, but a property of an observer who describes a system.”,,,

The Quantum Thermodynamics Revolution – May 2017
Excerpt: the 19th-century physicist James Clerk Maxwell put it, “The idea of dissipation of energy depends on the extent of our knowledge.”
In recent years, a revolutionary understanding of thermodynamics has emerged that explains this subjectivity using quantum information theory — “a toddler among physical theories,” as del Rio and co-authors put it, that describes the spread of information through quantum systems. Just as thermodynamics initially grew out of trying to improve steam engines, today’s thermodynamicists are mulling over the workings of quantum machines. Shrinking technology — a single-ion engine and three-atom fridge were both experimentally realized for the first time within the past year — is forcing them to extend thermodynamics to the quantum realm, where notions like temperature and work lose their usual meanings, and the classical laws don’t necessarily apply.
They’ve found new, quantum versions of the laws that scale up to the originals. Rewriting the theory from the bottom up has led experts to recast its basic concepts in terms of its subjective nature, and to unravel the deep and often surprising relationship between energy and information — the abstract 1s and 0s by which physical states are distinguished and knowledge is measured.,,,
Renato Renner, a professor at ETH Zurich in Switzerland, described this as a radical shift in perspective. Fifteen years ago, “we thought of entropy as a property of a thermodynamic system,” he said. “Now in (quantum) information theory, we wouldn’t say entropy is a property of a system, but a property of an observer who describes a system.”,,,
https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum....olution

To repeat that last statement, “Now in (quantum) information theory, we wouldn’t say entropy is a property of a system, but a property of an observer who describes a system.”

That statement is simply completely devastating to the reductive materialistic presuppositions of Darwinists, and is a full vindication of the presuppositions of Intelligent Design where it is held that only an Intelligent Mind has the capacity to create the information needed to explain life.

How much information is needed to explain the origin of a ’simple’ cell? Well, the information needed to be imparted into a system, by an intelligent ‘observer’, in order to bring the system far enough out of thermodynamic equilibrium in order to sustain life, is found to be immense.

The information content of a ‘simple cell’ when working from the thermodynamic perspective is found to be on the order of 10^12 bits,

Molecular Biophysics – Information theory. Relation between information and entropy: – Setlow-Pollard, Ed. Addison Wesley
Excerpt: Linschitz gave the figure 9.3 x 10^12 cal/deg or 9.3 x 10^12 x 4.2 joules/deg for the entropy of a bacterial cell. Using the relation H = S/(k In 2), we find that the information content is 4 x 10^12 bits. Morowitz’ deduction from the work of Bayne-Jones and Rhees gives the lower value of 5.6 x 10^11 bits, which is still in the neighborhood of 10^12 bits. Thus two quite different approaches give rather concordant figures.
https://docs.google.com/documen....dit

,,, Of note: 10^12 bits is equivalent to approx. 100 million pages of the Encyclopedia Britannica.
and BatShit77 literally 1 minute later:

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Moreover, besides the OOL requiring a vast amount of information, the information needed to explain embryological developement is also found to be immense.

Specifically, “the information to build a human infant, atom by atom, would take up the equivalent of enough thumb drives to fill the Titanic, multiplied by 2,000.”

In a TED Talk, (the Question You May Not Ask,,, Where did the information come from?) – November 29, 2017
Excerpt: Sabatini is charming.,,, he deploys some memorable images. He points out that the information to build a human infant, atom by atom, would take up the equivalent of enough thumb drives to fill the Titanic, multiplied by 2,000. Later he wheels out the entire genome, in printed form, of a human being,,,,:
[F]or the first time in history, this is the genome of a specific human, printed page-by-page, letter-by-letter: 262,000 pages of information, 450 kilograms.,,,
https://evolutionnews.org/2017....not-ask

While we are on the subject of information and life, it is also interesting to note that, long before Darwinists even realized that it is immaterial information that is ‘running the show’ in life, that Christianity ‘predicted’ that life had an ‘author’.

Acts 3:15
You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this.

Moreover, to show that it is indeed God who is imparting this massive amount of immaterial information into the first life, as well as imparting the massive amount of information into each individual human during embryological development, (in order to ‘locally’ circumvent the second law with immaterial information), I can appeal to advances in quantum biology.

Specifically, Quantum Entanglement/Coherence, and/or Quantum Criticality, is found to be ubiquitous within life. i.e. It is found within every important biomolecule of life.

As the following 2015 article entitled, “Quantum criticality in a wide range of important biomolecules”, stated, “Most of the molecules taking part actively in biochemical processes are tuned exactly to the transition point and are critical conductors,” and the researchers further commented that “finding even one (biomolecule) that is in the quantum critical state by accident is mind-bogglingly small and, to all intents and purposes, impossible.,, of the order of 10^-50 of possible small biomolecules and even less for proteins,”,,,

Quantum criticality in a wide range of important biomolecules – Mar. 6, 2015
Excerpt: “Most of the molecules taking part actively in biochemical processes are tuned exactly to the transition point and are critical conductors,” they say.
That’s a discovery that is as important as it is unexpected. “These findings suggest an entirely new and universal mechanism of conductance in biology very different from the one used in electrical circuits.”
The permutations of possible energy levels of biomolecules is huge so the possibility of finding even one (biomolecule) that is in the quantum critical state by accident is mind-bogglingly small and, to all intents and purposes, impossible.,, of the order of 10^-50 of possible small biomolecules and even less for proteins,”,,,
“what exactly is the advantage that criticality confers?”
https://medium.com/the-phy....7924552

And as this follow up article in 2018 stated, “There is no obvious evolutionary reason why a protein should evolve toward a quantum-critical state, and there is no chance at all that the state could occur randomly.,,,”

Quantum Critical Proteins – Stuart Lindsay – Professor of Physics and Chemistry at Arizona State University – 2018
Excerpt: The difficulty with this proposal lies in its improbability. Only an infinitesimal density of random states exists near the critical point.,,
Gábor Vattay et al. recently examined a number of proteins and conducting and insulating polymers.14 The distribution for the insulators and conductors were as expected, but the functional proteins all fell on the quantum-critical distribution. Such a result cannot be a consequence of chance.,,,
WHAT OF quantum criticality? Vattay et al. carried out electronic structure calculations for the very large protein used in our work. They found that the distribution of energy-level spacings fell on exactly the quantum-critical distribution, implying that this protein is also quantum critical. There is no obvious evolutionary reason why a protein should evolve toward a quantum-critical state, and there is no chance at all that the state could occur randomly.,,,
http://inference-review.com/ar.........roteins
Gábor Vattay et al., “Quantum Criticality at the Origin of Life,” Journal of Physics: Conference Series 626 (2015);
Gábor Vattay, Stuart Kauffman, and Samuli Niiranen, “Quantum Biology on the Edge of Quantum Chaos,” PLOS One 9, no. 3 (2014)

As well, DNA itself does not belong to the world of classical mechanics but instead belongs to the world of quantum mechanics. In the following video, at the 22:20 minute mark, Dr Rieper shows why the high temperatures of biological systems do not prevent DNA from having quantum entanglement and then at 24:00 minute mark Dr Rieper goes on to remark that practically the whole DNA molecule can be viewed as quantum information with classical information embedded within it.

“What happens is this classical information (of DNA) is embedded, sandwiched, into the quantum information (of DNA). And most likely this classical information is never accessed because it is inside all the quantum information. You can only access the quantum information or the electron clouds and the protons. So mathematically you can describe that as a quantum/classical state.”
Elisabeth Rieper – Classical and Quantum Information in DNA – video (Longitudinal Quantum Information resides along the entire length of DNA discussed at the 19:30 minute mark; at 24:00 minute mark Dr Rieper remarks that practically the whole DNA molecule can be viewed as quantum information with classical information embedded within it)
https://youtu.be/2nqHOnV....?t=1176

The interesting thing about quantum coherence and/or quantum entanglement is that quantum entanglement is a non-local, beyond space and time, effect that is shown to require a beyond space and time cause in order to explain its existence.

As the following paper entitled “Looking beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory” stated, “Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime, in the sense that no story in space and time can describe them,”

Looking beyond space and time to cope with quantum theory – 29 October 2012
Excerpt: “Our result gives weight to the idea that quantum correlations somehow arise from outside spacetime, in the sense that no story in space and time can describe them,”
http://www.quantumlah.org/high.......ces.php

Darwinists, with their reductive materialistic framework, and with the falsification of ‘hidden variables’, simply have no beyond space and time cause that they can appeal so as to be able to explain the non-local quantum coherence and/or entanglement that is now found to be ubiquitous within biology.

“hidden variables don’t exist. If you have proved them come back with PROOF and a Nobel Prize.
John Bell theorized that maybe the particles can signal faster than the speed of light. This is what he advocated in his interview in “The Ghost in the Atom.” But the violation of Leggett’s inequality in 2007 takes away that possibility and rules out all non-local hidden variables. Observation instantly defines what properties a particle has and if you assume they had properties before we measured them, then you need evidence, because right now there is none which is why realism is dead, and materialism dies with it.
How does the particle know what we are going to pick so it can conform to that?”
per Jimfit
https://uncommondescent.com/philoso....-662358

Whereas I, as a Christian Theist, readily do have a beyond space and time cause that I can appeal to in order to explain quantum entanglement and/or quantum information. As Colossians 1:17 states, “He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.”

Colossians 1:17
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Moreover, quantum information, like energy, is conserved. As the following article states, “In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed.”

Quantum no-hiding theorem experimentally confirmed for first time – 2011
Excerpt: In the classical world, information can be copied and deleted at will. In the quantum world, however, the conservation of quantum information means that information cannot be created nor destroyed. This concept stems from two fundamental theorems of quantum mechanics: the no-cloning theorem and the no-deleting theorem. A third and related theorem, called the no-hiding theorem, addresses information loss in the quantum world. According to the no-hiding theorem, if information is missing from one system (which may happen when the system interacts with the environment), then the information is simply residing somewhere else in the Universe; in other words, the missing information cannot be hidden in the correlations between a system and its environment.
http://www.physorg.com/news....ly.html

The implication of finding ‘non-local’, (i.e. beyond space and time), and ‘conserved’, (i.e. cannot be created nor destroyed), quantum information in molecular biology on such a massive scale, in every important biomolecule in our bodies, is fairly, and pleasantly, obvious.
That pleasant implication, of course, being the fact that we now have very strong empirical evidence suggesting that we do indeed have an eternal soul that is capable of living beyond the death of our material bodies. As Stuart Hameroff states in the following article, “the quantum information,,, isn’t destroyed. It can’t be destroyed.,,, it’s possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body. Perhaps indefinitely as a soul.”

Leading Scientists Say Consciousness Cannot Die It Goes Back To The Universe – Oct. 19, 2017 – Spiritual
Excerpt: “Let’s say the heart stops beating. The blood stops flowing. The microtubules lose their quantum state. But the quantum information, which is in the microtubules, isn’t destroyed. It can’t be destroyed. It just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large. If a patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says, “I had a near death experience. I saw a white light. I saw a tunnel. I saw my dead relatives.,,” Now if they’re not revived and the patient dies, then it’s possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body. Perhaps indefinitely as a soul.”
– Stuart Hameroff – Quantum Entangled Consciousness – Life After Death – video (5:00 minute mark) (of note, this video is no longer available for public viewing)
https://radaronline.com/exclusi....freeman

Verses:

Mark 8:37
Is anything worth more than your soul?

Psalm 36:9
For with You is the fountain of life;
In Your light we see light.


I bet the manifesto he’s cutting and pasting from is fuckin’ Enormous  :p

Somebody with DiEb’s data analysis skills could probly recreate the whole thing from mining his last 10 million commented words. I wonder how much is actually new typing.

   
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I love how we’re approaching the end of August and all the ID losers have found to publish in their ‘journal’ all year is just another case of the Salem Hypothesis.

https://bio-complexity.org/ojs....current

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Silver Asiatic argues for monarchism, because Democracy allows
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2021,13:15   

Should somebody point out that monarchy allows whatever the monarch doesn't object to?

  
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Should somebody point out that monarchy allows whatever the monarch doesn't object to?

Well, Seversky points out some facts about the Miller-Urey experiment and gets this response. There's no avenue of communication here.

  
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Should somebody point out that monarchy allows whatever the monarch doesn't object to?

Well, Seversky points out some facts about the Miller-Urey experiment and gets this response. There's no avenue of communication here.

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Seversky, thanks for the post- we already know that your Faith is very strong. Your Darwin-god would be proud of you.
he probably thinks this sounds clever, but it just sounds psycho. Seriously, if someone said that to you in real life would you hang out with them?

   
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Should somebody point out that monarchy allows whatever the monarch doesn't object to?

Well, Seversky points out some facts about the Miller-Urey experiment and gets this response. There's no avenue of communication here.

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August 21, 2021 at 1:14 pm
Seversky, thanks for the post- we already know that your Faith is very strong. Your Darwin-god would be proud of you.
he probably thinks this sounds clever, but it just sounds psycho. Seriously, if someone said that to you in real life would you hang out with them?

I'm more worried about the guns.

  
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What guns?

   
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I'm more worried about the guns.

What guns?

The guns you USians keep shooting each other with.

  
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I'm more worried about the guns.

What guns?

The guns you USians keep shooting each other with.

Risk of a gun homicide in the US in a year is like 12 per 100,000, so I’m not worried about those. I live in Florida, I have more serious things to worry about, like an Alligator hopped up on Bath Salts, or hitting a flamingo while skydiving.  :p

   
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I'm more worried about the guns.

What guns?

The guns you USians keep shooting each other with.

Risk of a gun homicide in the US in a year is like 12 per 100,000, so I’m not worried about those. I live in Florida, I have more serious things to worry about, like an Alligator hopped up on Bath Salts, or hitting a flamingo while skydiving.  :p

Stay safe!  :)

  
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Online (mainly) Spanish ID conference September 11–12, 2021

There will be 12 talks, including Steve Meyer and Casey Luskin (with translation ) The others will be Spanish-language profs from Spain, Argentina, and Chile — and, of course, Brazil (Marcos Eberlin).



We’re hearing now from the Spanish Translator:

“Esto es mierda de toro!”


:D  :D  :D

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2021,06:41   

Maybe by September they’ll have Two “papers” this year in their fake science journal to talk about. Gotta say, it’s not looking good.  :p

Edited by stevestory on Aug. 22 2021,07:42

   
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