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Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:32    Seriously Nelson, I recall you from ARN as an irritant, but not a total jerk. And what is with the nickname "guts?" Guts are long slimy tubes full of shit. Are you really into that much self disclosure? Oh, what are ten successful predictions made by ID? -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:33    Quote And yet you refuse to name *any*. Imagine that. It's not that I refuse to name any, it's that is the prior probabilities to which the theorem is applied that determine whether simpler theories are selectively confirmed over more complex theories or whether more complex theories are selectively favored over simpler ones.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:34    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:33) Quote And yet you refuse to name *any*. Imagine that. It's not that I refuse to name any, it's that is the prior probabilities to which the theorem is applied that determine whether simpler theories are selectively confirmed over more complex theories or whether more complex theories are selectively favored over simpler ones. No, you're refusing to name any. That's painfully obvious. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:34    Quote Oh, what are ten successful predictions made by ID? Actually there are dozens of successful predictions made by ID.

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:35    There is a great, but nauseating, short story by Chuck Palahniuk called "Guts", from his book "Haunted". Anyway, how about those dozens of predictions? -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:36    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:34) Quote Oh, what are ten successful predictions made by ID? Actually there are dozens of successful predictions made by ID. But they're secret. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:37    Quote Anyway, how about those dozens of predictions? I already listed them fully, but it was deleted by steve.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:39    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:37) Quote Anyway, how about those dozens of predictions? I already listed them fully, but it was deleted by steve. Then it should be no problem for you to list them again, no? Oh, I forgot. They're secret. And they're not important anyway. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:39    Quote But they're secret I keep trying to explain this to you. but you're not understanding. It's not that it's secret.

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:40    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,16:37) Quote Anyway, how about those dozens of predictions? I already listed them fully, but it was deleted by steve. That's even better than Dog ate my homework! -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:40    That post before last was a joke by the way.

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:41    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,22:40) That post before last was a joke by the way. Quote I could name dozens of ID predictions that have passed tests. But there seems to be a fundamental misundersatnding of science and how it is done in this forum. If you can name them, and they're not secret, then what's the problem? -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:42    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:34) Quote Oh, what are ten successful predictions made by ID? Actually there are dozens of successful predictions made by ID. You cannot even list 10. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:43    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:39) Quote But they're secret I keep trying to explain this to you. but you're not understanding. It's not that it's secret. I know, Nelson. You have dozens and dozens, but you refuse to list any, because it's not important. But really, you have dozens. And so on, and so on, and so on. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:45    Guts @ July 06 2008,12:51 When will I be cool enough to get an edit button. Stevestory @ Posted: July 06 2008,16:02     As Guts is no doubt aware, IDers like to rewrite the past. They tried to do that here a few times, and so we had to take edit buttons away from new users. Guts Posted: July 06 2008,16:03     You're projecting Steve. ~16:55 - Guts deletes his own comment from Telic Thoughts. And they wonder why people point and laugh at them.

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:45    Well, I'm leaving this in the hands of you less timezone-impaired folks. Quote I could name dozens of ID predictions that have passed tests. But there seems to be a fundamental misundersatnding of science and how it is done in this forum. Will I wake up to a world where science has been revolutionized? Only time will tell. G'night. -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:48    Several of us are checking out. Guts is just tap dancing. He's got nothing to say.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:48    Quote You cannot even list 10. I can list dozens, I am just trying to explain basic issues first. But no one understands.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:49    Quote (stevestory @ July 06 2008,16:48) Several of us are checking out. Guts is just tap dancing. He's got nothing to say. Quote Several of us are checking out. Guts is just tap dancing. He's got nothing to say. I'm just bored at the moment. I'll likely get into some more serious AE errors and deceit in the comming days.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:51    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:48)   Quote You cannot even list 10. I can list dozens, I am just trying to explain basic issues first. But no one understands. "I'm just trying to explain what's really important. But I just can't get through to you guys! But really, I have dozens!" [wipes tear] Nelson, you're a fraud, and we've seen it all before. Toodles. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:53    No I'm not a fraud. Actually i really did explain some fundamental issues lol. Thats the ironic thing.

Reed Posts: 274 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:54    Wow ... Guts, page 6:     Quote I would be more than happy to debate anywhere you'd like, even on non-neutral venues. ... 17 pages of spewing insults and failure to engage in any substantiative discussion ... Do you think you are fooling anyone ? Heck, just linking to a post that outlines your position would be sufficient to get things rolling, if you were interested in honest discourse. Even as trolling, it's pretty third rate. Too much repetition, not enough content to draw people in.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:58    Quote 17 pages of spewing insults and failure to engage in any substantiative discussion That pretty much describes this entire thread. Quote Heck, just linking to a post that outlines your position would be sufficient to get things rolling, if you were interested in honest discourse. I'm not here to defend my position I'm here to point out the lying that is going on here. For example, Frostman has already admitted to lying as a result, so it appears I am effective.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:59    Quote No I'm not a fraud. Actually i really did explain some fundamental issues lol. Thats the ironic thing. Yes, that we're faggots. Really brilliant work. Enjoy your stay. Somebody explain to Guts that 157,000 blog posts and zero papers is not a scientific revolution. I'm out.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:01    steve, we've already been through this, you understand anything about science, so you wouldn't know.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:02    don't*

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:06    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,17:48)       Quote You cannot even list 10. I can list dozens, I am just trying to explain basic issues first. But no one understands. How about one? Describe a SINGLE instance of hypothesis testing uniquely driven by ID theory. A quick description of the experimental prediction (and the theoretical basis thereof), why those predictions differ from those derived from orthodox evolutionary theory, in what sense the null result would disconfirm a tenet of ID, the actual results, and the implications for future empirical work. Then use that work to amplify the basic issues you raised above. [edits for clarity] -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:14    Here is an example, Nelson. Land animals evolved from fish. Land animals are common by about 300 million years ago. Prediction: Between 400 and 300 million years ago, there are fossils of fish with anatomy in between fish and tetapods. Result: Ahlberg, P. E., Luksevics, E. & Lebedev, O. 1994. The first tetrapod finds from the Devonian (Upper Famennian) of Latvia. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B 343, 303-328. Per E. Ahlberg, Jennifer A. Clack, Ervins Lukshevechk, Henning Blom, Ivars Zupinsh 2008 "Ventastega curonica and the origin of tetrapod morphology" Nature  453, 1199 - 1204 (26 Jun 2008). Edward B. Daeschler, Neil H. Shubin, Farish A. Jenkins "A Devonian tetrapod-like fish and the evolution of the tetrapod body plan" Nature  440, 757 - 763 (06 Apr 2006), doi: 10.1038/nature04639 See how easy that is? Now you do one. Edited to undo the last edit. Edited by Dr.GH on July 06 2008,15:16 -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:30    Thanks for the list of ID predictions. That was awesome. SHOITEHAWK. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:38    It's my pleasure

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