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Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:27    Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,06:24) Ah I think Nelson/Guts is attempting the debating tactic of provoking a banning, sometimes referred to as "death by Cop", I believe. This is all very illuminating, Sir. (Edited for spelling) No i'm trying to provoke actual thought, which is absent here. No one knows my position? Are you friggin kidding me? This thread is pages and pages long, and accusations abound, but no one knows my position? How batshit insane is that. I could write a book on it.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:31    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,06:27) Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,06:24) Ah I think Nelson/Guts is attempting the debating tactic of provoking a banning, sometimes referred to as "death by Cop", I believe. This is all very illuminating, Sir. (Edited for spelling) No i'm trying to provoke actual thought, which is absent here. No one knows my position? Are you friggin kidding me? This thread is pages and pages long, and accusations abound, but no one knows my position? How batshit insane is that. I could write a book on it. Who's saying that? The point is that before a debate or even discussion can happen you need to say something substantive that said discussion can be based upon. Simply pointing to "my position is available on XYZ blogs" means nothing. It's not a difficult to understand point. Make some kind of point. People will agree or disagree. Then we can have a discussion, debate, whatever. As yet, you've said nothing here to base such a discussion on. Again, it's not a hard concept. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:32    Quote No i'm trying to provoke actual thought, which is absent here. No one knows my position? Are you friggin kidding me? This thread is pages and pages long, and accusations abound, but no one knows my position? How batshit insane is that. I could write a book on it. No need to write a book, surely? Just try a post with an example, starting with something like "my position on (fill in with subject of choice here) is..."

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:34    So I've made no kind of point, and yet, this thread is more than 10 pages long, and accusations abound.  That requires professional attention from psychiatrists, I will demonstrate this in the comming weeks.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:35    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,06:34) So I've made no kind of point, and yet, this thread is more than 10 pages long, and accusations abound.  That requires professional attention from psychiatrists, I will demonstrate this in the comming weeks. Ah, tactic #73 Right now I'm too busy to demonstrate why you are all idiots, but *soon* I will, just you wait and see Sure, why not do it now Guts? What's stopping you? -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:36    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,12:34) So I've made no kind of point, and yet, this thread is more than 10 pages long, and accusations abound.  That requires professional attention from psychiatrists, I will demonstrate this in the comming weeks. Why wait? -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:38    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ July 06 2008,06:35) Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,06:34) So I've made no kind of point, and yet, this thread is more than 10 pages long, and accusations abound.  That requires professional attention from psychiatrists, I will demonstrate this in the comming weeks. Ah, tactic #73 Right now I'm too busy to demonstrate why you are all idiots, but *soon* I will, just you wait and see Sure, why not do it now Guts? What's stopping you? Whats stopping me is that despite the fact that I have written multiple blogs, none of them have been responded to here, I just keep getting the utterly stupid question "what do you think about the EF", how utterly stupid is that? I mean really. You guys don't realize how stupid you are? That seems unlikely to me.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:45    Quote So I've made no kind of point, and yet, this thread is more than 10 pages long, and accusations abound. This thread was started as a commentary on the general doings at TT, as the traffic had slowed at UD, and some people find it interesting to observe what goes on at TT. So it is not about you or your position, although your moderating behaviour has been examined. But noöne is wanting to prevent you from demonstrating your superior intellect. We will welcome your contribution, as soon as we know what it is.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:47    Quote Whats stopping me is that despite the fact that I have written multiple blogs, none of them have been responded to here So, provide a link to your best work.

RupertG Posts: 80 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:47    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,06:27) Quote (Alan Fox @ July 06 2008,06:24) Ah I think Nelson/Guts is attempting the debating tactic of provoking a banning, sometimes referred to as "death by Cop", I believe. This is all very illuminating, Sir. (Edited for spelling) No i'm trying to provoke actual thought, which is absent here. No one knows my position? Are you friggin kidding me? This thread is pages and pages long, and accusations abound, but no one knows my position? How batshit insane is that. I could write a book on it. You're not actually provoking anything, though, except the willingness to let you carry on for as long as you like. It's not so much giving you enough rope as allowing you to pay out as much rope as you like, a la Aristophanes. Refusing to state your position then throwing turds at people who ask, is certainly a path to enlightenment for anyone who cares to follow the thread. As a reader, I now feel very well informed about your actual position, because it's clearly demonstrated in all your postings. Am I wrong about what's being demonstrated here? It certainly looks like a classic example of a certain sort of behaviour - and not one recognisable as an attempt to debate. If you want a debate, it's very simple. State your assumptions, state your evidence, state your logic and state your conclusion. A proper understanding of all four is necessary to make progress. If you don't believe we're smart enough to understand this, why are you still here? Are you not smart enough to educate us? Instead of throwing turds, why not expend that energy throwing evidence and logic? They're far harder to scrape off, when they hit. R -------------- Uncle Joe and Aunty Mabel Fainted at the breakfast table Children, let this be a warning Never do it in the morning -- Ralph Vaughan Williams

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:48    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,05:48) I never said "I don't debate people who don't know my position" Why are you lying? I just said it was interesting, given the existence of this thread, that people don't know my position. Well, perhaps you overestimate your importance in the world.  But, then again, perhaps I am just an ignint knuckledragger.  So, wow me.  Lay out your position so I can bask in your reflected glory. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:50    Because this thread is obviously not about evidence or logic, it's about who can throw the best turd. You hit the nail on the head there. You can go to Telicthoughts.com and click on my name and read all my blogs, in fact I challenge anyone to do so.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:52    But the bottom line is that AE is not about rational debate it's about cultivating flamers. I've dealt with this as soon as I banned the first flamer, keiths, and since then this blog has been an undeserved target.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:53    But hey, you guys want to play? I'm game. Lets play.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:56    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,06:50) Because this thread is obviously not about evidence or logic, it's about who can throw the best turd. You hit the nail on the head there. You can go to Telicthoughts.com and click on my name and read all my blogs, in fact I challenge anyone to do so. But, I thought you wanted to debate here?  Now you are retreating to the safety of TT?     *turns and speaks to adults* I hate to say it, but this guy is even worse than JoeG. At least Joe tries to sound sciency and whatnot while he is insulting you.   *turns back to guts* HA HA THIS IS YOU -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:57    Quote You can go to Telicthoughts.com and click on my name and read all my blogs, in fact I challenge anyone to do so. If I do as you say, I get this which appears to just tell me your email. It lists thread titles from all contributors, but that is not very helpful. You must know the title of a thread post or two that you are proud of, surely?

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,06:59    Go to any blog I wrote and click there, not on the sidebar you twit

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:00    Safety of TT ? I never said any such thing you're a moron

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:03    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,07:00) Safety of TT ? I never said any such thing you're a moron Your IQ must be off the scale. I've rarely seen such a refined wit. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:04    Thanks, but I still think you're a retard. Flattery won't get you anywhere.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:06    Carlson using stars to simulate "emotes" that is so weird, i gotta tell ya.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:16    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,01:59) Go to any blog I wrote and click there, not on the sidebar you twit Thanks for explaining I have skimmed through the list and, frankly, there is not much substantive content from you, rather than lifting quotes from others. I will lift something from the list if you want, but generally someone such as Zachriel or Nick Matzke seem to have dealt adequately with your position. I can't believe you don't have a favourite thread where your debating skills are particulary well-demonstrated.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:17    "not much substantive content" is just you saying you can't respond because you're stupid. Just admit it.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:19    Alan seriously, just admit you can't respond because you don't have the knowledge necessary to respond, you'll gain more credibility by doing so.

RupertG Posts: 80 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:22    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,06:50) Because this thread is obviously not about evidence or logic, it's about who can throw the best turd. You hit the nail on the head there. You can go to Telicthoughts.com and click on my name and read all my blogs, in fact I challenge anyone to do so. But when I was on Telic Thoughts and I asked you for your position, you said "I've stated it many times already, it's all here" and refused to be specific. People who press you on the point get banned. People here who ask for evidence and logic are told that they're - what? Stupid? Liars? Deceivers? That's far less effective than giving them evidence and logic and then showing that they're stupid, lying or deceptive. You may not see this as an exercise in avoiding any specificity, but it very much looks like it from here. Given that you don't want it to look like that - which I assume, but feel free to tell me that assumption is false - why don't you have any interest in changing that perception? And if you do have that interest, why not do what everyone's asking you to do and be specific? It could be that you're on a Zen jag, and are hitting the novices with sticks while asking paradoxical koans as an aid to enlightenment. There's a fine line between that and being a violent schizophrenic, though: Zen masters normally exhibit the wisdom of context. R -------------- Uncle Joe and Aunty Mabel Fainted at the breakfast table Children, let this be a warning Never do it in the morning -- Ralph Vaughan Williams

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:24    Quote But when I was on Telic Thoughts and I asked you for your position, you said "I've stated it many times already, it's all here" and refused to be specific. People who press you on the point get banned. More lies. In fact no one has asked me for my position, much less have been banned for it. When will the lies stop?

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:25    Alan Fox, you still there? You gonna respond to any of my technical blogs?

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:27    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,02:19) Alan seriously, just admit you can't respond because you don't have the knowledge necessary to respond, you'll gain more credibility by doing so. It seems to me that if you want to fulfill your challenge, you would be the best person to provide material, as, presumably, you know where to look. I never offered to debate you, and I claim no special knowledge, other than BS biochemistry of many years ago. So, I claim that I can find no substantive, unrefuted defence of Intelligent design as a worthwhile scientific pursuit anywhere at Telic Thoughts in your own words. Please demonstrate that I am wrong. (Preferably with cites.)

RupertG Posts: 80 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:28    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,07:24) Quote But when I was on Telic Thoughts and I asked you for your position, you said "I've stated it many times already, it's all here" and refused to be specific. People who press you on the point get banned. More lies. In fact no one has asked me for my position, much less have been banned for it. When will the lies stop? OK, I unequivocally withdraw that part of my post and apologise unreservedly. Now, will you answer the rest of that post? Thanks R -------------- Uncle Joe and Aunty Mabel Fainted at the breakfast table Children, let this be a warning Never do it in the morning -- Ralph Vaughan Williams

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,07:29    lol so I'll take that as a no. Pathetic. Can't even own up to what you consider a "creationist", really? a "creationist" made you look stupid? Wow Alan, just, wow.

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