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Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:48    Quote You cannot even list 10. I can list dozens, I am just trying to explain basic issues first. But no one understands.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:49    Quote (stevestory @ July 06 2008,16:48) Several of us are checking out. Guts is just tap dancing. He's got nothing to say. Quote Several of us are checking out. Guts is just tap dancing. He's got nothing to say. I'm just bored at the moment. I'll likely get into some more serious AE errors and deceit in the comming days.

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:51    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,14:48)   Quote You cannot even list 10. I can list dozens, I am just trying to explain basic issues first. But no one understands. "I'm just trying to explain what's really important. But I just can't get through to you guys! But really, I have dozens!" [wipes tear] Nelson, you're a fraud, and we've seen it all before. Toodles. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:53    No I'm not a fraud. Actually i really did explain some fundamental issues lol. Thats the ironic thing.

Reed Posts: 274 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:54    Wow ... Guts, page 6:     Quote I would be more than happy to debate anywhere you'd like, even on non-neutral venues. ... 17 pages of spewing insults and failure to engage in any substantiative discussion ... Do you think you are fooling anyone ? Heck, just linking to a post that outlines your position would be sufficient to get things rolling, if you were interested in honest discourse. Even as trolling, it's pretty third rate. Too much repetition, not enough content to draw people in.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:58    Quote 17 pages of spewing insults and failure to engage in any substantiative discussion That pretty much describes this entire thread. Quote Heck, just linking to a post that outlines your position would be sufficient to get things rolling, if you were interested in honest discourse. I'm not here to defend my position I'm here to point out the lying that is going on here. For example, Frostman has already admitted to lying as a result, so it appears I am effective.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,16:59    Quote No I'm not a fraud. Actually i really did explain some fundamental issues lol. Thats the ironic thing. Yes, that we're faggots. Really brilliant work. Enjoy your stay. Somebody explain to Guts that 157,000 blog posts and zero papers is not a scientific revolution. I'm out.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:02    don't*

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:06    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,17:48)       Quote You cannot even list 10. I can list dozens, I am just trying to explain basic issues first. But no one understands. How about one? Describe a SINGLE instance of hypothesis testing uniquely driven by ID theory. A quick description of the experimental prediction (and the theoretical basis thereof), why those predictions differ from those derived from orthodox evolutionary theory, in what sense the null result would disconfirm a tenet of ID, the actual results, and the implications for future empirical work. Then use that work to amplify the basic issues you raised above. [edits for clarity] -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:14    Here is an example, Nelson. Land animals evolved from fish. Land animals are common by about 300 million years ago. Prediction: Between 400 and 300 million years ago, there are fossils of fish with anatomy in between fish and tetapods. Result: Ahlberg, P. E., Luksevics, E. & Lebedev, O. 1994. The first tetrapod finds from the Devonian (Upper Famennian) of Latvia. Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B 343, 303-328. Per E. Ahlberg, Jennifer A. Clack, Ervins Lukshevechk, Henning Blom, Ivars Zupinsh 2008 "Ventastega curonica and the origin of tetrapod morphology" Nature  453, 1199 - 1204 (26 Jun 2008). Edward B. Daeschler, Neil H. Shubin, Farish A. Jenkins "A Devonian tetrapod-like fish and the evolution of the tetrapod body plan" Nature  440, 757 - 763 (06 Apr 2006), doi: 10.1038/nature04639 See how easy that is? Now you do one. Edited to undo the last edit. Edited by Dr.GH on July 06 2008,15:16 -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:30    Thanks for the list of ID predictions. That was awesome. SHOITEHAWK. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:38    It's my pleasure

RupertG Posts: 80 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:43    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,17:38) It's my pleasure But why? Why are you here? You don't want to talk about science or ID, you don't have any response beyond yelling insults or a fourth-form retort (for American readers, that's, um, around 14 years old.). What are you enjoying so much? Don't you worry that it's making you, your friends and everything you claim to find important look, well... stupid? R -------------- Uncle Joe and Aunty Mabel Fainted at the breakfast table Children, let this be a warning Never do it in the morning -- Ralph Vaughan Williams

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:52    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,16:39) Quote But they're secret I keep trying to explain this to you. but you're not understanding. It's not that it's secret. Is this related to a list of Commie sympathizers in the State department? -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:57    Edward B. Daeschler, Neil H. Shubin, Farish A. Jenkins "A Devonian tetrapod-like fish and the evolution of the tetrapod body plan" Nature  440, 757 - 763 (06 Apr 2006), doi: 10.1038/nature04639 The famous Tikaalik fossil is particularly interesting for the current discussion because the researchers went to the field location because it matched predicted age and environmental conditions that were predicted to yield this sort of predicted intermeadiate.   See?  Prediction from theory followed by experiment/obsevation will yield important results, IF there is a theory that is not just a pile of crap. So, Nelson? Your turn to present one of the dozens (heheh) of ID successes. Edited to add: Come on Nelson, get with it! Edited by Dr.GH on July 06 2008,15:58 -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:57    Well, that was fun. I hope Joytard comes next time! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Art Posts: 69 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,17:59    Geepers, Guts.  Try as you might, you cannot be stupider than joy.  She's had decades of practice, and I suspect you're still in the rookie leagues. Heck, you haven't yet approached Bradford's pathetic level of argumentation.  You'll need to continue this vacuous evasion for a few years to catch up to him. And as melt-downs go, yours cannot touch the quality of MikeGene's screen-smokers. Bottom line - you're still peon fourth class in MikeGene's coterie.  Try to accept your lot in life and get on with things.

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,18:01    So that was about 100 people who read Nelson's being spanked. I hope he enjoyed it. Edited by Dr.GH on July 06 2008,16:01 -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Nerull Posts: 317 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,18:57    Oh, wow. Busy programming all weekend and look what I miss. It's like the kid who knows everything - just ask him. Except when you do he doesn't have an answer to anything. If you stump him, all he can do is spit and bluster and throw insults. Really, I thought most people progressed from that form of argument by high school. Apparently not. -------------- To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,19:02    Quote But why? Why are you here? I thought I already made it crystal clear why I am here. I exposed two instances of deceit both from steve and Frostman, and I will continue to do so, even with the science. I'm not here to explain and defend my position, I go to TT and blog for that.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,19:02    I'm wondering if Guts is the HIV denier who shows up on other forums. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,19:06    Quote So that was about 100 people who read Nelson's being spanked How was I spanked? I documented two instances of lies about my blog, and one of the liars admitted it. I'd say i'm doing pretty good.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,19:11    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,19:02) Quote But why? Why are you here? I thought I already made it crystal clear why I am here. I exposed two instances of deceit both from steve and Frostman, and I will continue to do so, even with the science. I'm not here to explain and defend my position, I go to TT and blog for that. Are yes... I'll only discuss at my fortress of creobottery where reality based comments get disappeared. Nice one Guts! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,19:13    Quote Are yes... I'll only discuss at my fortress of creobottery where reality based comments get disappeared. Which ones? If you really feel that way, feel free to take any one of my blogs and critique it here, and I'll respond.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,19:15    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,19:13) Quote Are yes... I'll only discuss at my fortress of creobottery where reality based comments get disappeared. Which ones? If you really feel that way, feel free to take any one of my blogs and critique it here, and I'll respond. No Guts, if You feel that way, discuss here, where the ability to edit the history wont be given to you. You're already been found wanting in that regard in the short time you've been here. ID predictions? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,19:18    Like I said, I'm not here to explain to a bunch of trolls my position, it's a complete waste of time. I'm only here to expose the lies and deceit that crop up here. It's very simple concept to understand. You = troll Me  = troll smasher, not patient teacher

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,19:20    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,19:18) Like I said, I'm not here to explain to a bunch of trolls my position, it's a complete waste of time. I'm only here to expose the lies and deceit that crop up here. It's very simple concept to understand. You = troll Me  = troll smasher, not patient teacher This from a guy who a few hours ago admitted he came here to troll.  LOL -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,19:21    Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,19:18) Like I said, I'm not here to explain to a bunch of trolls my position, it's a complete waste of time. I'm only here to expose the lies and deceit that crop up here. It's very simple concept to understand. You = troll Me  = troll smasher, not patient teacher That's a great assertion: Here I am trolling at a blog where I've nearly posted 5000 times. I haven't posted at Telic Tards at all. You and reality aren't very close, eh? Why not post here, Guts? At least we have a decent readership and lots of scientists on hand.. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Guts Posts: 226 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,19:21    Yes I came here to troll, but in the process , I have a purpose here, which I already accomplished in part.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 06 2008,19:22    Quote (Richardthughes @ July 06 2008,20:15) ID predictions?   Quote (Guts @ July 06 2008,17:48)         Quote You cannot even list 10. I can list dozens, I am just trying to explain basic issues first. But no one understands. How about one? Describe a SINGLE instance of hypothesis testing uniquely driven by ID theory. A quick description of the experimental prediction (and the theoretical basis thereof), why those predictions differ from those derived from orthodox evolutionary theory, in what sense the null result would disconfirm a tenet of ID, the actual results, and the implications for future empirical work. Then use that work to amplify the basic issues you raised above. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

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