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| Quote (MrIntelligentDesign @ Oct. 14 2015,11:42) | | Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 13 2015,18:55) | Hello again, Edgar,
Comments, please?
| Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 12 2015,19:03) | Hello, Edgar,
| Quote | | Yes, trees are intellen but what they are doing are naturen. |
I don't see that you have any basis except circular reasoning and bald assertion for claiming that trees are intellen. Please demonstrate how I am wrong on that.
| Quote | | I have given you an empirical evidence that you yourself can confirm and test. |
I haven't seen anything that you present that meets the definition of empirical evidence. Possibly I've missed something, but I suspect that the problem is that you don't know the meaning of "empirical data" (I know you cited a definition for empirical data three pages ago, but I don't see how that definition applies to anything that you have said). Please specify which data you have presented that you think are empirical.
| Quote | | Now, if you apply that to real world in Biology, for example, you can see that bonobo, orangutan, chimps, and the likes don't use "intelligence" but instinct only. When they faced one problem, they have only one solution - thus, it is always symmetrical phenomenon. |
Except, that's not true.
[URL=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3153320/Bonobos-glimpse-time-Stone-Age-man-Apes-seen-making-wooden-spears-daggers-stone-shovels-li
ke-human-ancestors.html]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/science....rs.html[/URL]
| Quote | Researchers have reported witnessing bonobos modifying branches to create spears and using antlers and rocks as daggers, scrapers, shovels and hammers. ........'The bonobos used modified branches and unmodified antlers or stones to dig under rocks and in the ground or to break bones to retrieve the food.
‘Antlers, short sticks, long sticks, and rocks were effectively used as mattocks, daggers, levers, and shovels, respectively.
‘One bonobo successively struck a long bone with an angular hammer stone, completely bisecting it longitudinally.
‘Another bonobo modified long branches into spears and used them as attack weapons and barriers.
‘The bonobos' foraging techniques resembled some of those attributed to Oldowan hominins, implying that they can serve as referential models.’ |
https://www.insidescience.org/content........768
| Quote | | Although bonobos in the wild are not known for tool use, in captivity they have shown remarkable capabilities with stone tools. For instance, in the 1990s, researchers taught the male bonobo Kanzi and the female Pan-Banisha how to knap flint -- that is, strike the rocks together to create tools -- and use the resulting stone flakes to cut rope to open a box and to cut leather to open a drum for food. Now scientists reveal that in the intervening years, by practicing on their own, Kanzi and Pan-Banisha have developed a broader stone tool kit for more complex tasks, making them at least a match with chimpanzees in tool use. The researchers challenged Kanzi and Pan-Banisha to break wooden logs and to dig underground, tests similar to tasks the apes might have to carry out to get food in the wild. To break the logs -- an act similar at cracking open bones to get at marrow -- the scientists not only saw these apes use rocks as hammers or projectiles to smash their targets, but also observed them either rotating stone flakes to serve as drills or use the flakes as scrapers, axes or wedges to attack slits, the weakest areas of the log. To root into hard soil, these bonobos used both unmodified rocks and a variety of handmade stone tools as shovels. The stone tools Kanzi and Pan-Banisha created match the main categories of the first known stone tools from the ancestors of humans. Dating back roughly 2.6 million years to Ethiopia, these tools are known as the Oldowan, and include heavy-duty and light-duty items such as choppers and blades, as well as scraper-like and drill-like artifacts. Intriguingly, the marks created on the logs by the stone tools of these bonobos are very similar to those left on fossilized bones by the artifacts of early Homo. |
http://www.emory.edu/LIVING_....010.pdf
Quite some time ago, a female bonobo was observed exchanging sex for a banana, demonstrating "the world's oldest profession" as yet another solution to the problem of how to get food.
These examples indicate that human intelligence is a natural extension of intelligence documented in our closest relatives among the other primates. |
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Wow, good article...
I've read the abstract and it was a good research.
But I was not impressed by the conclusion that those animals used intelligence.
What would you do if you see some birds build nests? They did not only use tools but they knew the mixtures of water and clay, will you still call that "intelligence"?
My goodness... |
Of course that's intelligence. Shows they have the ability to learn, use tools and solve problems. Any sane person would see it.
THAT is empirical evidence, and it disproves your shit.
You have failed so bad that it's not even funny anymore. Want another example? You claimed to have found the final definition of intelligence that solves the problem of having so many definitions.
Well, you defined intelligence in terms of asymmetry, then later you said:
| Quote | | I said that "intelligence" is a principle of making X to exist |
So you, yourself, have more than one definition (and they all fail)
| Quote | VERY FUNNY!!!!
LOLOLOLOL!!!!! |
That's how you debate? This response is a tacit admittance of defeat.
You have nothing to counter our arguments. You lost
DEAL WITH IT
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