Richardthughes
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| Quote (avocationist @ Jan. 21 2007,21:18) | Arden,
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Yes, but a warning, if you act like a total abrasive shithead for one or two years and threaten to hack the site, we might punish you by sending all your posts to the bathroom wall. |
So on that note, I'm curious as to why Dave Scot got banned from here?
| Quote | | * Major Christian denomination(s) defend(s) traditional doctrine of creation & repudiate(s) |
That isn't even a complete sentence.
Who is supposed to have written the Wedge, and for whom?
I really can't know that the author meant by traditional doctrines of creation. That God created the world I think all Christians should believe. But that it might have been a long and natural process they can also believe. But not naturalistic in the sense often meant here, as in no intentional input. My guess is that they want the churches to stop wimping out and assess the situation a little better. It appears that a lot of nonfundie churches go along with Darwinist teachings without looking too hard. In school, kids are taught that there is no purpose to evolution. That really isn't compatible with theism. Even Miller believes the universe was designed by God, he just thinks that complex system could evolve by unguided processes. So in that sense, there is a divide between his understanding of evolution, and Dawkins'.
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I think they'd like Christian churches to defend the idea that God was behind the creation in some way, and that random processes unguided by God aren't compatible with their faith or with logic. So far, only Dawkins seems to get that.
I see. So (1) ID is fundamentalist Christian religious apologetics, (2) IDers are just lying to us when they claim it's not, and (3) Judge Jones was entirely correct when he ruled that it *is*, and is therefore illegal to teach in science class. |
You know, Lenny, I understand that this thread is generally lighthearted and dedicated for the abuse of of UD, so it's true that this ought to be moved, but you are proving yourself to be a bear of very little brain, and one dedicated to gratuitous belligerance as well.
Obviously, to you, any religious person is a fundamentalist. Whereas, I fear fundamentalists, and I got news for you - you are one.
k.e.
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Yeah, gotta keep those beliefs in the (mental) distance, don't turn the eye of scrutiny too close. |
I believe you mistook my meaning. So I'll clear it up. I meant that I agreed there is a strong streak of fundamentalism at UD, but I also see it here.
| Quote | | What is it about the referee’s final whistle you don't get? |
I have to agree with decisions by all authorities? What a good little citizen of the coming police state you will be! Why, you'll even spy on your neighbors and everything.
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IF YOU WERE RIGHT the decision would be over-ruled by a higher court in an instant. |
They aren't even taking it to a higher court. Not that they could ever err...
| Quote | | avocationist: feel free to set set forward your evidence FOR ID. I'm sure you'll find plenty of people to correct your misconceptions and misinformation. |
Been there, done that.
Back to Lenny,
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What, precisely, about “evolution” is any more “materialistic” than, say, weather forecasting or accident investigation or medicine. Please be as specific as possible. |
In my opinion, nothing. In my opinion, God is everything, so there is no process or for that matter, material, separate from God. But generally, people have the idea that matter is something separate from God. So God set up a system, and it's running along on its own, or mostly on its own. Like you might wind up a top and let it go on the floor. But the evolution of life just doesn't look like something that could happen on its own. On the other hand, getting to the point where you have matter, a universe, organization into galaxies and planets, and various laws of nature such that there is a planet with weather, also does not look too probable. Your question is about like asking whether a mouse can scratch his ear without the assist of God.
| Quote | | When you get sick, do you ask your doctor to abandon his “materialistic biases” and to investigate possible “supernatural” or “non-materialistic” causes for your disease? |
I mean, your questions are just absolutely trite. Why bother to eat? Why not just pray for sustenance? And of course there are emotional/spiritual components to disease causation.
| Quote | | Why aren’t you and your fellow Wedge-ites out there fighting the good fight against godless materialistic naturalistic weather forecasting, or medicine, or accident investigation? |
Aren't you ashamed to provide this level of discourse?
You've made a lot of ass-umptions. I'm barely tolerated at UD. Is your position really so weak that you have to paint everyone with the same brush? Some ID people are fundies, some are religious but nonfundies, and some are not categorizable.
Your refutation of the Wedge document disclaimer was filled with fear and paranoia. Some of the things they said and do say I agree with. There is no humanity without a metaphysical worldview. Right now, the atheists have got the floor. I agree with the DI that the purposeless worldview being taught is depressing and disheartening to humanity. I also don't think it's true. I don't know whether it might backfire if the Christians got their way, but I don't see why it should. Our country was freer in the last century than it is now and Christianity was not particularly oppressive. What I see coming, a totalitarian regime, will be by the corporate elite, not the fundies, although they will use the fundies.
There are a lot of fundie elements in our society, and they absolutely should be kept in check. There are Christians who want to implement Old Testament Biblical law. But I really, really don't see that as happening.
When I see all the fear and loathing in your arguments, it makes me skeptical that you can evaluate for truth. Fear is a decreaser of consciousness and reason. |
Hey... new thread please kids.. or make it entertaining.
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then that's then end of the "what they should/should not teach" issue. 
