Robin
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| Quote (The whole truth @ Feb. 02 2012,09:14) | | Quote (Kattarina98 @ Feb. 01 2012,15:53) | And now an insane interlude: Joe has started to obsess about UFOs all over the place and has finally found a kindred soul. | Quote | | Strange that in a thread about space aliens no one wants to talk about the evidence for UFOs. |
Bruce David agrees:
| Quote | | Or the substantial evidence that the vast majority of the more than 10,000 crop circles reported since the ’80s could not have been produced by any known human technology. |
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Those two IDiots are really showing the type of loons that are attracted to the ID agenda.
Maybe a sock could ask joe and bruce if they have been captured and 'probed' by aliens, and what they think about Bigfoot, Abominable Snowmen, the Loch Ness Monster, dinosaurs allegedly still living in jungles, fire breathing dragons, monsters under their beds, vampires, alien body snatchers, von Däniken, demons, angels, the 'face' and 'canals' on Mars, whether Elvis is still alive and performing on another planet, whether there are amazon women on other planets, whether aliens built all the big pyramids or anything else on Earth, and other important scientific questions? ;)
Pressing joe for more of his beliefs about the Coral Castle should be good for more laughs too. |
This topic always irritates me to the point of hopping on a soapbox. I'm still in awe at the number of (what I consider) fairly rational people who believe in extraterrestrial interplanetary intelligent travelers.
I actually had a heated argument with a bunch of folks I get together with regularly on Wednesday nights (we've gotten together on Wednesdays for an eat-good-food diner thing for the past 15 years or so) about the possibility of such visits. I freely admit that I'm extremely skeptical to the point of nearly dismissing the notion on such interstellar visits. Simple examination of the nearby cosmos and actually contemplating the energies to move objects such distances, to say nothing of the unbelievably infinitesimal probability of some intelligent life out there some 400 light years away actually choosing to come towards our solar system and finding us as opposed to heading in any other direction. The scales of such things just boggle my mind.
I know, I know...I'm using a very similar type of argument against such an event that IDers/Creationists use against evolution, but I really don't think in this case that there could be a number of random tries to offset the odds.
I mean, just consider for a moment how long it would have to take such an intelligence to get here. Let's suppose that such an entity actually figured out how to travel at the speed of light (which I really think is a stretch, but whatever), why would it pick Earth to come to? Let's say it lives on a planet in a solar system nearly next door at 100 light years away (Christophr Lovis and his team found one recently about 127 light years from Earth). So, assuming a landing some time around 1950 -1960 or so, that means that the entity left around 1850 or so, right? How'd it detect earth back then...actually before then since there had to be some planning and ship building and what not once the decision to come here was made. We weren't beaming any electromagnetic radio waves into space back then. We had no electronics or even electric light to detect from 100 light years away. Why come this direction as opposed to going in any other?
Note, I'm not saying anything about the possibility that such entities exist. I think that's quite possible. I just find it hard to imagine they could make their way to Earth.
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we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed. Bilbo
The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis
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