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Posted: June 28 2011,13:00

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It doesn't look like TOAF got to bid at all.

Technically, there was one TOAF bid.

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Posted: June 28 2011,13:22

There had to have been some really damning shit in those files.

That is the only thing I can think of that could justify $210K.

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Posted: June 28 2011,14:41

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There had to have been some really damning shit in those files.

Like the fact the "talk" Stein was supposed to be giving was completely staged.

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Posted: June 28 2011,15:14

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There had to have been some really damning shit in those files.

Like the fact the "talk" Stein was supposed to be giving was completely staged.

Yeah. I wonder if the pay stubs to the extras was in there?

Of course, the entire interviews would have been in there.

I wonder if all the original materials from the Sternberg affair where there too?

"If it's the truth, why do you have to lie to defend it?"

Of course, it's all kind of moot anyway. Everyone knows about all of these things. As GH says, I wonder what's really in those files?

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Posted: June 28 2011,15:38

But contact with the actual evidence has significance - that's why I kept referring to it as The Creationists 2. Their efforts are evolving, although you're right to point out that we already know what they are.

Dammit, this is the second near-miss for me actually packing up a collection! I just want to do it, once, and apply assessment in the field. Plus, I was going to get my digital camera out for a group shimmy!

And yes, Wesley, I mean you!

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Posted: June 28 2011,16:24

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Their efforts are evolving,

What, their efforts aren't designed?

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Posted: June 28 2011,16:27

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Their efforts are evolving,

What, their efforts aren't designed?

That is what is so amusing about it all--no, not designed, because reactive.

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Posted: June 28 2011,16:32

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If Susskind has read Kuhn, then I'd like to hear him justify his analogy in light of the relationship Kuhn draws between science and philosophy, b/c I would call Susskind's statement is a gross oversimplification.

Discussion of the philosophy of science doesn't work if the data contradicts your position, otherwise why would you have to lie to make a movie supporting your position.

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Posted: June 28 2011,16:54

Meanwhile, a new front emerges in the war.

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Posted: June 28 2011,17:04

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Meanwhile, a new front emerges in the war.

I hope you PM'd RAS about this...

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Posted: June 28 2011,18:13

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Not exactly a well reasoned response, but not unexpected, either.

Sorry, Kristine, I was actually referring to Dr. GH. You don't get under my skin at all.

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Posted: June 28 2011,18:38

TOAF is planning to return contributions made towards the purchase of this film. I would have offered more if I had known this, but in the end, I made my contribution with full knowledge that it was not returnable. If it is returned, I will therefore un-return it with a small addition for administrative overheads.

Thanks for being so classy.

(but I would like to see the money stuff pages kept up to date in the interest of openness)

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Posted: June 28 2011,18:42

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Dammit, this is the second near-miss for me actually packing up a collection! I just want to do it, once, and apply assessment in the field. Plus, I was going to get my digital camera out for a group shimmy! :p And yes, Wesley, I mean you!

Ms K.

I have years of collected materials that I shudder at trying to get sent off to appropriate places.

Sherrie says we will sleep on the sofa, if you can get rid of the dozens of animal skeletons, (hundreds counting the fish skeletons). Also, a seed and pollen collection of a few hundred species.

There Is More!: hundreds of psychiatric patient interviews, an ethnographic film of a ChaChac', the Yucatec Mayan rain ceremony (and film editors out there? PBS made an offer, but too cheap), and a load of other stuff.

We'll throw in free laundry, and meals.

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Posted: June 28 2011,19:00

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Quote (Kristine @ June 28 2011,13:38)

Dammit, this is the second near-miss for me actually packing up a collection! I just want to do it, once, and apply assessment in the field. Plus, I was going to get my digital camera out for a group shimmy!

And yes, Wesley, I mean you!

Ms K.

I have years of collected materials that I shudder at trying to get sent off to appropriate places.

Sherrie says we will sleep on the sofa, if you can get rid of the dozens of animal skeletons, (hundreds counting the fish skeletons). Also, a seed and pollen collection of a few hundred species.

There Is More!: hundreds of psychiatric patient interviews, an ethnographic film of a ChaChac', the Yucatec Mayan rain ceremony (and film editors out there? PBS made an offer, but too cheap), and a load of other stuff.

We'll throw in free laundry, and meals.

C'est tempting! Do the "meals" include shots of Tequilia every time Kevin takes my bait?

Although I am up to my eyebrows in aviation artifacts right now. Which, of course, I love.

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Posted: June 28 2011,19:50

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If Susskind has read Kuhn, then I'd like to hear him justify his analogy in light of the relationship Kuhn draws between science and philosophy, b/c I would call Susskind's statement is a gross oversimplification.

why should we care what you would call it?

hint: we don't! toodles

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Posted: June 28 2011,19:52

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If Susskind has read Kuhn, then I'd like to hear him justify his analogy in light of the relationship Kuhn draws between science and philosophy, b/c I would call Susskind's statement is a gross oversimplification.

Then, and this is a wonderful piece of advice you can use in your life from this point forward:

ASK HIM!

Amazing, I know. Instead of wasting everyone else's time you can simply email the man himself. Here, I'll even help you:

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"Dear Dr Susskind,

My name is Kevin. I was a writer on the creationist propaganda movie Expelled and I enjoy frequenting various bits of the internet to continue shilling for my odious, dishonest little screed in which I slander actual scientists and misrepresent science. Please, please, please could you tell me if you've read anything by Thomas Kuhn because I am trying to pretend I've read a book to some strangers on the internet. If you say you have read it I will be able to continue in the illusion that I am weally, weeally serious and important. Thank you and big kisses.

Yours

Kevin Miller"

No, no. There's no need to thank me. I'll even help you more.
Here are his contact details. Now I know that my getting hold of them involved some "research" and that is a little tough for you creationists, but try it out. You might like it. Doubtful, but I live in hope.

Louis

ETA: P.S. You seem to have a problem with Dr GH's sig line. Mine should be the one that gives you more problems, Kevvo.

in which Louis tries to make a new boyfrind

pssst don't listen kevv-o keep after those windmills YOU constructed don't let them give you THEIR WINDMILLS THOSE BASTRADS

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Posted: June 28 2011,19:53

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I see no point in ANYONE wasting their money on Expelled. I spent $8.00 on it a couple of years ago, and that was enough forever. It was a crappy movie, and it should be forgotten. Let dead dogs stay dead.

HA HA

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Posted: June 28 2011,21:29

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ June 28 2011,20:53)

Quote (Dale_Husband @ June 28 2011,12:47)

I see no point in ANYONE wasting their money on Expelled. I spent $8.00 on it a couple of years ago, and that was enough forever. It was a crappy movie, and it should be forgotten. Let dead dogs stay dead.

HA HA

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Posted: June 28 2011,21:56

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Not exactly a well reasoned response, but not unexpected, either.

Musical choice for your new film:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2cTc7DofrA

I think this is more a apropos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x3TMBeX-ws

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Posted: June 28 2011,23:28

I never saw Expelled although it played in a seedy theater in Houston for a day or so. Pay, no way!

Thanks to Kristine, may she shimmy forever, I watched the 1st part on Youtube.

Must say, I was impressed with the opening how they did the credits on the b/w film clips like Nazi Germany. Kev11 would have made a GREAT Nazi although he's too stupid to have been Colonel Klink and too skinny to be Sgt. Schultz. However, our Kev does "know nutzing. Nutzing!"

After that I skipped to the Sternberg interview which met all my expectations. Lie upon lie and mock expressions of shock by Beuler, er, I mean that other guy, whatzis name, the guy who was fired from his newspaper job due to conflict of interest and ethical violations.

Anyway, that's all I could stand. When it got to Crockershit's interview I lost interest.

In fact, I'm done. Crawl back under your rock, Kev-1.1 for another couple of years or five until we get bored again.

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Posted: June 29 2011,01:52

at some point we are going to find out who bought this piece of shit. how does this work, i am sure there are all sorts of confidentiality whatsis but when do we get to find out?

kevin, perhaps you could call up Sternberg, I think you know where to find him, right? Axe him do he be knowin who bought this bitch. for that much loot i hope they shoop tranmaw into that mug and rerelease it

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Posted: June 29 2011,04:35

DeLerious :

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Update, just in: Walt Ruloff and his associates, who were the original producers of EXPELLED, won the auction. More later.

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Posted: June 29 2011,07:11

Excellent. It appears that we may have had an effect, then.

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Posted: June 29 2011,07:40

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DeLerious :

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Update, just in: Walt Ruloff and his associates, who were the original producers of EXPELLED, won the auction. More later.

Just to understand: The former CEO of Premise Media buys the left overs of the very same now bankrupt Premise Media? Must have been a ticking time bomb.

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Posted: June 29 2011,08:21

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DeLerious :

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Update, just in: Walt Ruloff and his associates, who were the original producers of EXPELLED, won the auction. More later.

Maybe I need more caffeine, but wouldn't the court, and the IRS wonder how the bankrupt producers can afford to buy back their bankrupt company's only asset?

Is there an empty cell next to Kent Hovind?

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Posted: June 29 2011,08:40

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Maybe I need more caffeine, but wouldn't the court, and the IRS wonder how the bankrupt producers can afford to buy back their bankrupt company's only asset?

Not likely. It is an oddity of our economic system (from a psychological/common sense standpoint) that companies are not people. Thus, a company can go bankrupt while the principles are dragged to the floor by the weight of their billfolds.

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Posted: June 29 2011,09:19

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Maybe I need more caffeine, but wouldn't the court, and the IRS wonder how the bankrupt producers can afford to buy back their bankrupt company's only asset?

Not likely. It is an oddity of our economic system (from a psychological/common sense standpoint) that companies are not people. Thus, a company can go bankrupt while the principles are dragged to the floor by the weight of their billfolds.

I thought that a corporation is legally considered to be an individual though.

My mind is boggling! We need an image here of Expelled nesting dolls!

This would make a great article for Skeptical Inquirer, don't you think?

ETA - Something tells me that our shimmyparty just got delayed, not canceled. This is deliciously, deliciously not over, folks.

Edited by Kristine on June 29 2011,09:27

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Posted: June 29 2011,09:27

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DeLerious :

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Update, just in: Walt Ruloff and his associates, who were the original producers of EXPELLED, won the auction. More later.

Just to understand: The former CEO of Premise Media buys the left overs of the very same now bankrupt Premise Media? Must have been a ticking time bomb.

It's like a variation on "the producers":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Producers_(musical)

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As in the film, the story concerns two theatrical producers who scheme to get rich by overselling interests in a Broadway flop. The humor of the show is accessible to a wide range of audiences and draws on ridiculous accents, caricatures of homosexuals and Nazis, and many show business in-jokes.

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