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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2006,15:11   

I think I might have only made one dick waving joke.  What about me?  Can I claim injury and oppression?  Is there a three dick waving joke minimum or anything?

I can come back and make up the difference if you want, but somehow I don't think you'd see the humor.

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2006,15:17   

Quote (Lou FCD @ June 27 2006,20:00)
####, Arden.  Just when I thought I had become somebody, now you tell me I have to go slumming over there and try to get at least one comment up before I get banned.  Yeah, that's gonna happen.

I don't write the rules, I just report 'em.
;)

And hey, I've only been banned *once*, with only a handful of insults (I think 'dumb bunny' was one). I'm a piker -- there are others here who've been banned at UD twice, AND taken the brunt of one of DT's low-rent google swiftboatings, where he spends a whole afternoon digging up internet dirt on someone and gleefully posts it on the internet. Compared to that, I've hardly even stepped on his toes.

So get to work, dagnabbit! It's easy - go onto UD and ask DT if it's normal for 'real scientists' to give their SAT scores and magazine subscriptions in their 'CV's'. :p

No, but it's normal for me to spend the night with your mama. You don't even have the guts to come onto my site and GET banned. Homo.-dt

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2006,15:20   

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Bah, my goal now is just to turn this into the longest PT thread ever.


Doubtful. It's only at 623 and I think there was one last winter that clicked over into the 4 digits, wasn't there?

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2006,15:24   

Thanks Arden, that's actually the best laugh I've had all day, which is saying something considering the thread I got tossed from.

Ok, the gauntlet is thrown, and I choose to pick it up.  Of course, DaveTard reads all this, so I'll not be able to do it right away.

Hear that DaveTard?  The challenge is on for me to get one post up on your little fan club board before you catch me and ban me.

Maybe I'll sneak in and ban your Mama - LouFCD

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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2006,17:26   

Quote (Lou FCD @ June 27 2006,20:24)
Thanks Arden, that's actually the best laugh I've had all day, which is saying something considering the thread I got tossed from.

Ok, the gauntlet is thrown, and I choose to pick it up.  Of course, DaveTard reads all this, so I'll not be able to do it right away.

Hear that DaveTard?  The challenge is on for me to get one post up on your little fan club board before you catch me and ban me.

Maybe I'll sneak in and ban your Mama - LouFCD

Remember, make sure you get the insult. Merely posting something intelligent that they can't handle won't necessarily do that -- you could just be silently deleted and not even know if you're truly banned. You have to explain some obvious reason why some pet theory Dave is trying out can't work, or push some other buttons of his (like our friend who pointed out that SciAm isn't a 'hard science' journal). When he inserts some snide boldfaced comment into your message, with either an outright insult or at least a statement that 'you don't belong', you've arrived.

And you're right, wait at least 1-2 weeks, maybe with a fake name. Lose that 'FCD', for sure.

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'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2006,18:49   

Hey PZ, are you gonna tell the folks in this thread that you're removing my comments  . . . . . ?

'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,01:26   

Getting back to the subject, it should perhaps be pointed out that spider silk didn't originally evolve for making webs.  The group of arthropods from whcih spiders may (or may not have) evolved, the trigonotarbids, didn't have any spinnerets and presumably didn't have any silk.  One of the earliest known spiders, Attercopus, at 380 million years, did. Of course, one of the defining characteristics of spiders is that they have spinnerets.

Some of the most primitive of the existing spiders are the mygalomorphs, the group that includes the tarantulas.  Some living species of tarantula-like spiders still have segmented apparent in their abdomens, and they are probably very similar to the most primitive of spiders.  This group goes back to 300 million years in the fossil record.  And although they have spinnerets and produce silk, they don't make webs.  Their silk is used largely to make eggsacs, and to line the burrows that they live in.  A few species of trapdoor spiders use silklen lines to make a radiating pattern with their burrow at the center, which alerts them to passing prey.  It seems likely that prey-catching webs were a (much) later modification of that strategy.

There are also arboreal species of tarantula, which live in silken shelters that they spin high up in trees.  They too, however, don't make webs.  It seems a good likelihood that they adapted to an arboreal lifestyle in order to avoid monsoon rains which flooded their terrestrial burrows, and it seems likely that the modern orb-weaving spiders began with a similar lifestyle.

'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,01:26   

Well, I don't know if PZ is still censoring my posts, but I will just sit back and let everyone have their religious war.

Have fun.

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,01:41   

Quote (Guest @ June 28 2006,06:26)
Getting back to the subject, it should perhaps be pointed out that spider silk didn't originally evolve for making webs.  The group of arthropods from whcih spiders may (or may not have) evolved, the trigonotarbids, didn't have any spinnerets and presumably didn't have any silk.  One of the earliest known spiders, Attercopus, at 380 million years, did. Of course, one of the defining characteristics of spiders is that they have spinnerets.

Some of the most primitive of the existing spiders are the mygalomorphs, the group that includes the tarantulas.  Some living species of tarantula-like spiders still have segmented apparent in their abdomens, and they are probably very similar to the most primitive of spiders.  This group goes back to 300 million years in the fossil record.  And although they have spinnerets and produce silk, they don't make webs.  Their silk is used largely to make eggsacs, and to line the burrows that they live in.  A few species of trapdoor spiders use silklen lines to make a radiating pattern with their burrow at the center, which alerts them to passing prey.  It seems likely that prey-catching webs were a (much) later modification of that strategy.

There are also arboreal species of tarantula, which live in silken shelters that they spin high up in trees.  They too, however, don't make webs.  It seems a good likelihood that they adapted to an arboreal lifestyle in order to avoid monsoon rains which flooded their terrestrial burrows, and it seems likely that the modern orb-weaving spiders began with a similar lifestyle.

Can anyone point out anything remotely objectionable in this post, placed in the "spider" thread, that would require it to be banished to the Wall?  

Other than the simple fact that I am the one who wrote it, and PZ now has a hard-on for me?

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,01:45   

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Go ahead, Lenny, claim that I'm silencing all of your substantive contributions to the discussion.

We really need oodles of dick-swinging comments, I'm sure.

And in case you hadn't noticed, people are disagreeing with me, and I'm not throwing their comments to the bathroom wall. Am I just inconsistent? Or is it just you?

Perhaps, PZ, you could explain to everyone what you find objectionable about my spider post?

Other than the simple fact that I'm the one who wrote it?

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'Rev Dr' Lenny Flank

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,01:47   

Hey PZ, what was objectionable about my spider post?

Other than I am the one who wrote it, and you now have a hard-on for me?

pzmyers



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,01:51   

It's the simple fact that you wrote it.

Just consider yourself banned from any of my comment threads. I'm not going to try and parse your comments, I'm not going to discriminate, I'm not going to delete it based on whether I agree with it or not -- when I see the name "Lenny Flank", it's gone.

Simple rules are best.

   
"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,01:56   

OK, Chairman.

Thanks for showing everyone your true colors.

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Chris Hyland



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,02:37   

Not to sound corney or anything but, this is exactly what the creationists want.

  
Occam's Toothbrush



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,02:57   

Yes.  Very disappointing.  Granted, some of Lenny's specific posts were less than constructive, but wholesale deletion and banning of a person's comments because of who they are without regard to content is arrogant and fascist.  It's a shame PZ has stooped this low because of, as I see it, mere ego.    
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Simple rules are best.

Simple rules for simple minds.

Do I get banned now?

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pzmyers



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,03:09   

If I had banned Lenny altogether, it would be the same thing: it wouldn't matter if he <i>intended</i> to write some substantive comment, because of past behavior, he would not be allowed to post it  on PT.

Lenny is not going to appear on any threads which I control, at all. This is the only appropriate and impartial way to do it. If I let him through on comments with which I agree, then he's just going to shriek louder that I'm oppressing him if I pick and choose which of his comments I allow through.

That's the way it's going to be, no arguments. A few of the other contributors to PT have already told me I should have throttled him back at the very start of the Ron Numbers thread, and I agree. He dragged the thread right down into the sewer, and cutting him out has palpably increased the quality of the discussion. It's worked so dramatically well that I'm making it my consistent policy.

   
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,03:24   

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He dragged the thread right down into the sewer


Apparently you were reading a different thread than I was.  The one I was reading was off-the-wall, out of control, and a mass free-for-all for many reasons, in many ways, caused by many people and Lenny was no more responsible for that than you were. (or I was, for that matter)

It was fun, let's do it again sometime.

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Stephen Elliott



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,04:54   

But wasn't that thread intended to start an argument? I must admit that Lenny tends to post in a very (forthright, shall we say?) manner, but I never noticed a warning given to him (not in plain language anyway).

Tried reading the thread again to see what exactly happened, but it is a bit difficult to follow now.

The thread was @ 400 posts+ when I first read it, so I did skim it.

  
Occam's Toothbrush



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,05:32   

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Lenny is not going to appear on any threads which I control, at all. This is the only appropriate and impartial way to do it. If I let him through on comments with which I agree, then he's just going to shriek louder that I'm oppressing him if I pick and choose which of his comments I allow through.

Which sounds very much as if you are negating what he has to say because you disagree with him--outright censorship of opposing opinions--not because of him "dragging the thread right down into the sewer".  Which is it?  Is this about behavior or viewpoint?

I respect your viewpoints and read your blog every day, but I think it's sad that you've responded to Lenny's accusations of "dick-waving" with this, well, dick-waving.  Lenny can be annoying but I think the cure is much worse than the disease when you start banning people who are so passionately on the right side of most arguments.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,05:40   

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A few of the other contributors to PT have already told me I should have throttled him back at the very start of the Ron Numbers thread, and I agree. He dragged the thread right down into the sewer, and cutting him out has palpably increased the quality of the discussion.


I think a general commitment to keeping tabs on *all* the comments in our threads is necessary.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,05:53   

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Tried reading the thread again to see what exactly happened, but it is a bit difficult to follow now.


I found it confusing the whole time. The PZ/Lenny fight was unclear to me. I would rather Lenny picked one claim and stuck with it, and tried to argue it persuasively. If that had happened, I'd have some clearer idea who's in the right here. But you don't always get what you wish for.

   
pzmyers



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,06:40   

It's about behavior. Lenny made no substantive contributions to the thread at all.

I have no problem with disagreement, and the majority of the recent comments on the thread are arguing with me. They seem to be able to do it without resorting to incessant "dick waving" comments, or announcements that they are ignoring me, or the usual clownish schtick Lenny indulges in.

What Lenny was doing was not argument. You want abuse...that's down the hall and to the left.

   
plasmasnake23



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,07:53   

I read the thread when it was only about 20 or 30 replies. It seemed to me like pz and lenny were ready to go at it since they knew they disagreed already. In my extremely unimportant opinion they both acted like jerks in their comments. You know I think this stuff is important too, I'm a scientist, but this is just the internet. People say a lot of things and sometimes it's better not to get worked up about it because it's not worth the time it takes. That's not at anyone in particular, just in general. Remember, UD likes to point out internet support as revealing but there are plenty of internet groups for doing things like drawing straight male characters of popular movies and books doing highly unstraight activities. At the end of the day it's just the net.

  
Terry

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,12:00   

When did the US fight a civil war over slavery?  You should probably research a little further.  The US civil war did not start over slavery.  It started over states rights and whether states rights held over the federal governments.  Most of the founding fathers would have supported the southern states decision to secede from the Union.  Lincoln did not.  If slavery was the big issue maybe you can explain why the confederate states constitution did not allow slavery. Slavery was at its end in the south and at that time the south was preparing to deal with the problems that would surface. Unfortunately the US government never dealt with any of those issues.

The only religion I have ever heard that said blacks were the descendants of Ham is the Mormons.  They still say this.  They do leave an out for the poor cursed African-Americans.  If they lead a truly righteous life, their skin will turn white.  I'm trying to figure out how Michael Jackson fits into this.

Coin

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,12:00   

<quote>It started over states rights and whether states rights held over the federal governments.</quote>

Specifically, states' rights to hold slaves.

Or states' rights to pull entirely out of the United States of America because they don't agree with the outcome of a single presidential election.

Or states' rights to fire on United States federal property with heavy artillery.

Or, y'know, whatever.

<quote author="Terry">the confederate states constitution did not allow slavery</quote>

<url href="http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/csa/csa.htm">Um... you go ahead and think that.</url>

mara

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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,12:00   

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -- subordination to the superior race -- is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."

-- Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens

plasmasnake23



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,12:38   

I'll bet 20 bucks that Terry is from the South. I can instantly tick off two of my friends by saying that the civil war was about slavery. They are from georgia and virginia.

P.S. The civil war wasn't only about slavery but it was an important component. You don't have to apologize for your grandfathers. I'm sure plenty of my ancestors were bigots but that doesn't mean I try to whitewash them. Just be happy we know better now.

  
Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,12:48   

It's funny, when Terry made those comments, I immediately tracked down that exact same Alexander Stephens quote in order to post it, only to find that someone had already beaten me to it. Then I started to compose a message saying I had been going to post that quote, too, I noticed that all the posts had disappeared to the Bathroom Wall. Oh well.

Yeah, I'm sure Terry's a southerner. They still say a lot of weird shit about the Civil War. 'War of Northern Aggression' and all that. Why they feel compelled to defend all of their ancestors' worst beliefs and decisions is beyond me, but all my ancestors were 'Yankees', so I guess I wouldn't 'understand'.

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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: June 28 2006,13:53   

Regarding PZ, it's simply not necessary for me to say a single word.  (shrug)

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Antipasto



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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2006,05:30   

When a completely scientific and good remark like Lenny's on spider webs is eliminated, you cannot but acknowledge that there is something tremendously wrong going on at the PT.

  
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