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Quote (xpowderx @ Jan. 18 2010,01:00) | 1. When a current set of data has the following things happen. Mutation is a immediate response.
1a. When current existing data is deleted
1b. When any other existing data comes into contact with another set of existing data
1c.When a external influence impedes on the current data function.
Now as to mutation. 1.All mutation is constant. 2.The timing of the effect of mutation varies for each individual mutation. This differs with evolutionary mutation as evolution mutation according to theory happens spontaneously. In this case the physiological view is only of a mutation after it has already occurred.3. All mutation has the potential to be faster or slower dependent on both its data and external influence. 4.Every single cell that exists in life is its own individual. While many cells may look alike or even act alike they are not. This in part is due to external influence. 5.As a single cell is never at the same place or time in its lifetime.6. It also does not share the same external influence as a different cell of its likeness.
A example of this can be shown with two people who have cancerous(Mutating cells) lung cells. They both may have the same treatment same set of circumstance and even similar rate of infection. But each individual body reacts differently due to the above laws. Thus the time frame and reaction are completely different.
Another example is a human breathing. One person may"catch a cold" while another may miss it completely. This is caused by both physiological influence and external influence. This is caused by one of the above laws 1a,1b,1c.
Now a final comment concerning Evolution. Mutation is neither "Random" nor "Magical". Evolution uses both as explanation. To be frank. Evolution process is flawed and is not objective! |
I'm guessing that English is not your first language, so I'm going to try and add a little coherence to this to see if I get your point. It's a little bit difficult to parse as written, so please correct me if I misstate what you are trying to say:
Quote | 1. When a current set of data has the following things happen, mutation is a immediate response:
a. When current existing data is deleted
b. When any other existing data comes into contact with another set of existing data
c.When a external influence impedes on the current data function. |
So your hypothesis here is that if there is (a) a deletion of DNA, (b)if DNA touches any other DNA, or © if some other DNA supplants the original DNA, then a mutation occurs. Is that what you're saying?
If so, then
(a) is a well known source of mutation and is true almost by definition. (b) ... I'm not sure that this is necessarily true, but I'm willing to go with it for the moment - have I missed what you're trying to say? © is a well known source of mutation and is true almost by definition.
Quote | Now as to mutation. 1.All mutation is constant. |
Oh? If you don't mind, please define "constant" as you are using it here. Constant in what way? Rate? If so, to what degree? While it's true that mutation rates are relatively constant over long periods of time and those rates can be used to estimate the amount of time since the most recent common ancestor of two species, I'd be rather surprised if the rate of mutation were perfectly consistent over short periods of time. I would be shocked, for instance, if I had exactly the same number of mutations in my DNA as my father.
Since you bring up cancer later on, I would also be shocked if a biopsy of cancerous tissue from my body in vitro had the same rate of mutation as a similar one taken from yours.
Quote | 2.The timing of the effect of mutation varies for each individual mutation. |
Well, yeah. Biology is sort of messy that way.
Quote | This differs with evolutionary mutation as evolution mutation according to theory happens spontaneously. |
You need to define "spontaneously" here. As I take your implied meaning, this is simply not the case. Evolutionary Theory posits neither magic nor will as the cause of mutation, just very messy chemistry and physics with too many variables to be perfectly predictable.
Quote | In this case the physiological view is only of a mutation after it has already occurred. |
If you're saying that Evolutionary Theory can't perfectly predict what mutations will occur in any given recombination of large strings of DNA, I'm not sure you'll get an argument from anyone on this point. Again, biology is very very messy.
Quote | 3. All mutation has the potential to be faster or slower dependent on both its data and external influence. |
So you're saying that mutation happens slower or faster depending on the DNA and whatever happens to it? Are you next going to state that the sky is blue, water is wet, and women have secrets? Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Quote | 4.Every single cell that exists in life is its own individual. While many cells may look alike or even act alike they are not. This in part is due to external influence. |
Again, assuming that you are not positing that every cell is necessarily "its own individual" in the same sense that an entire multicellular organism is "its own individual", you're stating the obvious again. "This cell is not that cell" is hardly worth noting, and sure, it's due in part to each cell's unique history. So what?
Quote | 5.As a single cell is never at the same place or time in its lifetime. |
Assuming you're not messing with the arrow of time, I'll grant you this as yet another declaration of the mundane.
Quote | 6. It also does not share the same external influence as a different cell of its likeness. |
Different cells have different, unique histories. Again, so what? What the hell is your point here? You seem to be belaboring the point that "This cell is not that cell".
Quote | A example of this can be shown with two people who have cancerous(Mutating cells) lung cells. They both may have the same treatment same set of circumstance and even similar rate of infection. But each individual body reacts differently due to the above laws. Thus the time frame and reaction are completely different. |
Dude, I'm about to whip out the ORLY? owl. Again, biology is just some seriously messy chemistry and physics. So what? I'd hardly call what you've forwarded "laws", though. More like "givens".
Quote | Another example is a human breathing. One person may"catch a cold" while another may miss it completely. This is caused by both physiological influence and external influence. This is caused by one of the above laws 1a,1b,1c. |
Again, not really much of a set of laws, but rather "Given that biology is some really messy chemistry and physics..."
Quote | Now a final comment concerning Evolution. |
Wait, what? I'm not sure you've really made a first comment concerning evolution that's worth mentioning, let alone a final one. So far what you've said boils down to "Shit happens. It matters. Sometimes."
Quote | Mutation is neither "Random" nor "Magical". |
In the context of what you've said heretofore, I'd agree that mutation is not exactly "Random", just so damn messy that it might as well be random. I suppose that if we got down to the nitty gritty of the physics underlying the messy chemistry to the point where we look at the quantum mechanics of the substance of the universe, a physicist could expound better on the randomness of it all. Above that level, we're back to "Really really messy, with so many variables that it might as well be random and can be treated as such". Biology is messy. So what?
The only people invoking magic are creationists. If your assertion is that Evolutionary Theory posits magic, then you don't understand Evolutionary Theory even a little bit.
Quote | Evolution uses both as explanation. |
Ok, well then... I guess that speaks for itself.
Hello, Frank. Frankly, Frank, I don't think you're being Frank at all.
Quote | Evolution process is flawed and is not objective! |
"Therefore (my particular) god."
Gotcha.
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