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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,07:51   

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Everyone mark your calendars! June 19, 2016, is the day Intelligent Design won!!!!!!!!1111

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There you have it: “evolution” through “gene loss.” I.e., “evolution” through “loss of information.” Evolution does not PRODUCE “information”; it DESTROYS “information”. You can read about in the book: “Genetic Entropy.”

In sum: the war is over, and we won! Congratulations everyone!


The War is Over!



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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,07:59   

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bornagain77June 19, 2016 at 10:10 pm
Since you have not honestly admitted you were wrong in your original claim about computers creating mathematical equations/algorithmic information, I am not going to address any other fallacious/red herring claims you make.

In fact, I have put a personal request in to admin that you be banned (once again) for trollish behavior.

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,08:20   

Who can deny the Blood of Christ has transformed Batsh^t into a better person?

  
Glen Davidson



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,09:04   

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Everyone mark your calendars! June 19, 2016, is the day Intelligent Design won!!!!!!!!1111

 
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There you have it: “evolution” through “gene loss.” I.e., “evolution” through “loss of information.” Evolution does not PRODUCE “information”; it DESTROYS “information”. You can read about in the book: “Genetic Entropy.”

In sum: the war is over, and we won! Congratulations everyone!


The War is Over!



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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,10:40   

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BA77 will finally be recognized for the genius that he is on Quantum Physics and all of biology.


So what's his opinion on the 4 vector potential model of gravity?

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,11:45   

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Alicia CartelliJune 20, 2016 at 9:04 am
Almost all mutations are deleterious?
So humans all have identical genomes?
How have scientists been altering the genome of organisms and cells for years without them all immediately dying?

“de novo genes, which, probabilistically, cannot be explained”
What about the explanations we already have for de novo genes? Are we ignoring those?

Please, you think encode is going to find function in the entire genome? They won’t even come close.
And what happens when they find that some of these functions are important for evolution, and not necessarily the individual organism? Are you guys going to count those?
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RexTugwellJune 20, 2016 at 9:57 am
“explanations we already have for de novo genes?”
Care to share?
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Alicia CartelliJune 20, 2016 at 10:06 am
Just go onto pubmed and search “de novo genes”
Do I need to walk you guys through everything?
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RexTugwellJune 20, 2016 at 10:21 am
Thanks for the non answer. Typical
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Alicia CartelliJune 20, 2016 at 10:26 am
It took more typing and clicking to post that comment than to go to pubmed and search “de novo genes”

Just another classic case of a creationist not wanting to learn.
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RexTugwellJune 20, 2016 at 10:31 am
I have neither the time nor the patience for what probably amounts to a literature bluff from Alicia. Is anyone familiar with these “explanations” and what is your opinion.
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Alicia CartelliJune 20, 2016 at 10:39 am
Right, instead of doing a simple literature search, you decide to ask the most unscientific community on the internet about….science.

I would expect nothing less from UD.
linky

   
JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,11:50   

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Alicia CartelliJune 20, 2016 at 10:39 am
Right, instead of doing a simple literature search, you decide to ask the most unscientific community on the internet about….science.

I would expect nothing less from UD.
linky

... followed immediately by noted scientist batshit77 quoting noted scientist Cornelius Hunter.

One day the performance artists behind UD will 'fess up.  It's the greatest Poe of all time.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,11:52   

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Alicia CartelliJune 20, 2016 at 10:39 am
Right, instead of doing a simple literature search, you decide to ask the most unscientific community on the internet about….science.

I would expect nothing less from UD.
linky

....and nothing more.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,14:43   

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Prof. S. Joshua SwamidassJune 20, 2016 at 1:22 pm
This article makes no sense.

I am a theistic evolutionist. So are Michael Behe and Michael Denton.

I oppose naturalism. Of course there is so much more to the world than nature. I do not seek accommodation with naturalism.

I oppose ID because I have not found ID arguments convincing. This is not surprising, because I doubt science can demonstrate God’s. I find science too limited in this task.

So, back to the drawing board.


Don't they hate TEs over there?

   
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,15:47   

God's what?

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,16:01   

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Prof. S. Joshua SwamidassJune 20, 2016 at 1:22 pm
This article makes no sense.

I am a theistic evolutionist. So are Michael Behe and Michael Denton.

I oppose naturalism. Of course there is so much more to the world than nature. I do not seek accommodation with naturalism.

I oppose ID because I have not found ID arguments convincing. This is not surprising, because I doubt science can demonstrate God’s. I find science too limited in this task.

So, back to the drawing board.


Don't they hate TEs over there?

They find TE's who don't join the Big Tent to be Very Annoying.

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Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,16:54   

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Prof. S. Joshua SwamidassJune 20, 2016 at 1:22 pm
This article makes no sense.

I am a theistic evolutionist. So are Michael Behe and Michael Denton.

I oppose naturalism. Of course there is so much more to the world than nature. I do not seek accommodation with naturalism.

I oppose ID because I have not found ID arguments convincing. This is not surprising, because I doubt science can demonstrate God’s. I find science too limited in this task.

So, back to the drawing board.


Don't they hate TEs over there?

They find TE's who don't join the Big Tent to be Very Annoying.

And that's one big tent. Big enough to hold the egos of Barry, William, Gordon and Batshitcrazy77. There should be enough room under that tent for almost anything. Well, anything but rationality.

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,17:12   

Mullings posts this hateful comment and here I am without a sock. Someone please call him on the fact that the Christian God and the Muslim God are one and the same.
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Orlando Police Dispatcher (OD)
Shooter (OM)

OD: Emergency 911, this is being recorded.

OM: In the name of God [–> actually, Allah] the Merciful, the beneficial [in Arabic]

OD: What?

OM: Praise be to God [–> actually, Allah], and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God [–> actually, Allah] [in Arabic]. I let you know, I’m in Orlando and I did the shootings.

OD: What’s your name?

OM: My name is I pledge of allegiance to [omitted] [–> Isis and/or the Caliph].

OD: Ok, What’s your name?

OM: I pledge allegiance to [omitted] [–> Caliph al Baghdadi] may God [–> actually, Allah] protect him [in Arabic], on behalf of [omitted].

  
Woodbine



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,18:05   

Kairosfocus [–> actually, Gordon E. Mullings] is a self-righteous crackpot who can't recognise his philosophical reflection when he sees it.

  
Lethean



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(Permalink) Posted: June 20 2016,21:18   

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bornagain77June 19, 2016 at 10:10 pm
Since you have not honestly admitted you were wrong in your original claim about computers creating mathematical equations/algorithmic information, I am not going to address any other fallacious/red herring claims you make.

In fact, I have put a personal request in to admin that you be banned (once again) for trollish behavior.


SOB! He's telling his mom! Let's cheeze it to the soda shop!

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2016,13:29   

Personally, I'm not worried.  My faith in PaV's ability to get things wrong is strong.

  
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2016,17:33   

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MatSpiritJune 22, 2016 at 4:29 pm
Has anybody read PaV’s June 19th “The War is Over: We Won!” post?

Apparently, if we lose genes, evolution has lost the war!

Personally, I have faith in PaV’s ability to get things wrong.


Comments here and comments there either convergently evolve, or were Intelligently Designed!

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2016,17:42   

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MatSpiritJune 22, 2016 at 4:33 pm
Has anybody read vjtorley’s June 6th “Consider the opossum: the evidence for common descent” thread? Apparently all of us mammals have lost our genes for making egg yolks. Are we thus doomed?


linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2016,19:08   

Heh, more MatSpirit, this time answering Eric Anderson on the gobsmackingly stupid, sorry Gobsmackingly Stupid thread:
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Sorry for the delay. As you can probably imagine, PaV’s discovery that some genes are lost and that evolution has therefore lost the war has knocked us all for a loop. My sides are still aching, in fact.

UD link

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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2016,21:53   

I just got some devastating news. Apparently Dense and Dreary and I graduated from the same high school in Toronto. I don't know if I will ever be able to hold my head high again.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2016,22:14   

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I just got some devastating news. Apparently Dense and Dreary and I graduated from the same high school in Toronto. I don't know if I will ever be able to hold my head high again.

Was it at least in different years? Or even  better, different decades?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2016,22:49   

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I just got some devastating news. Apparently Dense and Dreary and I graduated from the same high school in Toronto. I don't know if I will ever be able to hold my head high again.

Was it at least in different years? Or even  better, different decades?

Thankfully, she graduated at least a decade before I did. The educational standards must have improved in that decade.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2016,00:10   

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I just got some devastating news. Apparently Dense and Dreary and I graduated from the same high school in Toronto. I don't know if I will ever be able to hold my head high again.

Was it at least in different years? Or even  better, different decades?

Thankfully, she graduated at least a decade before I did. The educational standards must have improved in that decade.

If she was validictorian, were there any survivors?  Anybody gnaw one of their own legs off to get away?

Not for the faint of heart.

Edited by CeilingCat on June 23 2016,00:11

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2016,07:38   

I'm beginning to think KairosFlatus has a little brother whose initials are William J. Murray
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Try properly grounding and establishing a working scientific method without fundamental principles understood to be objective and binding, transcending and enforceable in top-down authority over happenstance interactions of brain chemistries. 


Science is Supernatural thread

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2016,07:55   

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I'm beginning to think KairosFlatus has a little brother whose initials are William J. Murray
 
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Try properly grounding and establishing a working scientific method without fundamental principles understood to be objective and binding, transcending and enforceable in top-down authority over happenstance interactions of brain chemistries. 


Science is Supernatural thread

Replace "a working scientific method" with "a coherent conception of the existence and nature of the supernatural".
That's a much much harder problem.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2016,10:36   

Isn't "working scientific method" inconsistent with "enforceable in top-down authority", at least within the science itself?

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2016,10:43   

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Replace "a working scientific method" with "a coherent conception of the existence and nature of the supernatural".
That's a much much harder problem.

Not to mention getting people to agree to the same coherent conception.

Plus, once something is potentially explained by some consistently observed patterns of evidence, at that point it isn't really "supernatural" any more, is it? Even if it was traditionally considered as such.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2016,13:34   

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Quote (NoName @ June 23 2016,06:55)
Replace "a working scientific method" with "a coherent conception of the existence and nature of the supernatural".
That's a much much harder problem.

Not to mention getting people to agree to the same coherent conception.

Plus, once something is potentially explained by some consistently observed patterns of evidence, at that point it isn't really "supernatural" any more, is it? Even if it was traditionally considered as such.

Yup.

"Supernatural" isn't a bucket of "stuff we don't understand but this explains how and why, and everybody understands and knows it for what it is."
No consistency, no coherency, no epistemological space for it to occupy.  No justification for the concept.
And it's all idiots like GEM and his ilk have.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2016,16:57   

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daveSJune 22, 2016 at 7:24 am
Robert,
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Elon Musk must be kidding. if your names elon you know there is a problem already here.

What an odd thing to say. Presumably you’ve come across the name “Elon” in the bible, no?
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Robert ByersJune 22, 2016 at 7:53 pm
daveS
No but thats a foreign people long ago and nothing to do with modern times.
I think I’m right here.


poor dumb byers.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2016,19:15   

Uncommon descent is the true gauge of Intelligent Design creationism's failure.

Squawks from the Disco'tute are merely the paid-for-shit from people without any career hopes.

UD marks the low level of the true believers.

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