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oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2007,07:23    O'Leary breathlessly announces a new ID film. Obviously all that ID based peer reviewed research leaves them craving a break... Quote The film, directed by Nathan Frankowski, features people like Rick Sternberg, Guillermo Gonzalez, and Caroline Crocker, scientists victimized by the Darwin cult. Stein also confronts a number of cultists, including the Smithsonian congregation that drove out Rick Sternberg (and called security on the film crew), as well as Richard Dawkins. A "major feature" film defends intelligent design, no less. O'Leary also notes Quote The film has already received endorsements from Michael Medved, Peter Furler (of Newsboys)and J.I.Packer. It is not funded by Discovery Institute but by software entrepreneur Ruloff who lives on Bowen Island in British Columbia, Canada, and a team of supporters. It's come to something when you've got to note that this time your propaganda is not funded by the usual suspects. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2007,07:40    YAWN. Wake me for the second reel. Why didn't they go the whole propaganda hog and ressurect Leni Riefenstahl for the director's chair? After all wasn't she merely a misunderstood and misused propagandist film maker? Shouldn't birds of a misunderstood feather flock together? Do I win an award for such an early Godwin? Louis -------------- Bye.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2007,07:46    I think what they don't mention will be more important then what is in the film. The funding issue for GG for example. He dun't got none.... -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2007,08:16    Yes, the accurate reflection of the fact he was denied tenure for failing to bring in the sweet, sweet funding will be replaced by the innaccurate claim that evil Darwinian atheists who hate Jesus materialists hell bent keen on keeping kookery, falsheood, non-science, religious claims and utter drivel The Truth (TM patent pending) which includes Jesus no religious material at all out of science. Why do these bozos think this shit works? Louis -------------- Bye.

qetzal Posts: 311 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2007,09:14    Quote (Louis @ Aug. 12 2007,08:16) Why do these bozos think this shit works? Probably because it does work among the faithful.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2007,11:12    Quote (qetzal @ Aug. 12 2007,15:14) Quote (Louis @ Aug. 12 2007,08:16) Why do these bozos think this shit works? Probably because it does work among the faithful. Damn! I KNEW I'd forgotten some demographic! Louis P.S. Sorry I should have made it clear that I was talking about science. You're totally right of course, the faithful love their propaganda. -------------- Bye.

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 13 2007,19:41    Ooooh, this waste of time, material, and effort, excuse me, film, has been endorsed by Michael Medved??? Wow. Wowee wow wow. What a...hmm, "coup" is not the right word, nor is "achievement"...okay, how's this: "An endorsement from Michael Medved?!? Wow, what a stinking pile of 'So fucking what'."

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,14:36    Oh yeah, they've got a summer blockbuster on their hands there. or not. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,14:41    Ben Stein Calls for No Censorship; Volunteers; Has Open Comments How long will that last? Remember to copy any pearls you write back here. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,14:53    "This includes the ability to inquire whether a higher power, a being greater than man, is involved with how the universe operates. This has always been basic to science. ALWAYS." It sounds like philosophy to me Ben, not science. You are perhaps confusing the two. Science is concerned with natural world: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/science If God exists then surely it is outside of the physical universe? Also, I don't thin you understand what 'hypothesis' means. In scientific terms, it doesn't mean belief: "A tentative explanation for an observation, phenomenon, or scientific problem that can be tested by further investigation." Did they test their hypothesis? Did it become a theory? People are of course free to believe what they would like. Science is actually evidence based, and ID has none - it is simply an argument from incredulity. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,14:55    And the blog says: "Rich Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. " Bwahahahahaha bad creobot tards: -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,15:02    Somebody ought to post a link to the thread here that's all UD bannings... -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,15:12    Also see here: http://www.expelledthemovie.com/bigscienceacademy_expelled.php Bono - Prominent scientist. Einstein - "God does not play dice" quantum mechanics denier. I jest, but I don't think he believed in a personal God: "I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own - a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. It is enough for me to contemplate the mystery of conscious life perpetuating itself through all eternity, to reflect upon the marvelous structure of the universe which we can dimly perceive and to try humbly to comprehend even an infinitesimal part of the intelligence manifested in Nature." Albert Einstein Galileo - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei#Church_controversy -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,15:18    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 22 2007,15:02) Somebody ought to post a link to the thread here that's all UD bannings... Done: Here's how the ID community handles censorship / different viewpoints: http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....;t=5141 Thanks. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,15:30    ooh this is fun.  any advice on how to improve my undercover tard cloaking device? Quote Can't wait to see the movie.  I'm sure it will blow the socks off those evilutionists who deny the all=mighty purposeful hand of god who has clearly invested a lot of his(her?) time in designing the phalluses of katydids and tinkering with the chimpanzee genome to fool materialists.   Athiest darwinist materialists have held the pulpit for too long, with their evidence and predictive power.  The tide is turning in churches and homeschooled classrooms across the globe, upholding the observation that all true science is given to us from God and is an exploration of his glory and omnipotence.  Only fools demand evidence to believe something.   Additionally, with the growing impetus behind Intelligent Design (including a real science journal and lots of internet weblogs that thankfully don't worry about the opposing views to their arguments) soon we can be sure to see some real ID research from the growing number of ID labs in the United States.  All Science So Far!!! Stifling dissent is unamerican and unchristian.  Intelligent design has nothing to do with religion, there are even atheist pleasurians in the fold.  In short, it is all about the maths. See here for more about censorship and Darwinism. [URL=http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=5141 -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Rob Posts: 154 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,16:13    Ben Stein:   Quote Under a new anti-religious dogmatism, scientists and educators are not allowed to even think thoughts that involve an intelligent creator. Do you realize that some of the leading lights of ?anti-intelligent design? would not allow a scientist who merely believed in the possibility of an intelligent designer/creator to work for him? EVEN IF HE NEVER MENTIONED the possibility of intelligent design in the universe?EVEN FOR HIS VERY THOUGHTS? HE WOULD BE BANNED. Instead of denigrating these employers who fire people for their unspoken thoughts, we should be leveraging their mind-reading powers in more productive ways, like prisoner interrogation, or finding out whether the writers of Lost actually have a story plan. -------------- -- Rob, the fartist formerly known as 2ndclass

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,16:34    PZ Myers was interviewed, and a segment appears in "Expelled". However, he was not interviewed for "Expelled":   Quote Why were they so dishonest about it? If Mathis had said outright that he wants to interview an atheist and outspoken critic of Intelligent Design for a film he was making about how ID is unfairly excluded from academe, I would have said, "bring it on!" We would have had a good, pugnacious argument on tape that directly addresses the claims of his movie, and it would have been a better (at least, more honest and more relevant) sequence. He would have also been more likely to get that good ol' wild-haired, bulgy-eyed furious John Brown of the Godless vision than the usual mild-mannered professor that he did tape. And I probably would have been more aggressive with a plainly stated disagreement between us. I mean, seriously, not telling one of the sides in a debate about what the subject might be and then leading him around randomly to various topics, with the intent of later editing it down to the parts that just make the points you want, is the video version of quote-mining and is fundamentally dishonest. Edited by Wesley R. Elsberry on Aug. 22 2007,16:34 -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,17:13    Quote (clamboy @ Aug. 13 2007,18:41) Ooooh, this waste of time, material, and effort, excuse me, film, has been endorsed by Michael Medved Wow. Wowee wow wow. What a...hmm, "coup" is not the right word, nor is "achievement"...okay, how's this: "An endorsement from Michael Medved?!? Wow, what a stinking pile of 'So fucking what'." Haha. Medved in bed with righter-christers agin. What a stinking pile of "so fucked, what?" His right-wing fanatic friends behaved like yowling cats in Jerusalem during the New Year's countdown to Y2K. You made your bed (again), Medved. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,17:52    Quote (Rob @ Aug. 22 2007,16:13) Ben Stein: ? Quote Under a new anti-religious dogmatism, scientists and educators are not allowed to even think thoughts that involve an intelligent creator. I Well, I certainly do hope, with all sincerity, that this film gets a full and complete showing, in court, the next time some idiotic school board tries to bullshit everyone into accepting some ID "science textbook" because "ID ain't about religion or god, no sirree Bob, and it's just them atheist darwinists and activist judges who think so." These morons STILL have no clue at all why they keep losing. Surreal. I thank God, every single day, that fundies are so utterly completely unalterably irredeemably mind-numbingly jaw-droppingly stupid. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,20:01    Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 22 2007,16:18)   Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 22 2007,15:02) Somebody ought to post a link to the thread here that's all UD bannings... Done: Here's how the ID community handles censorship / different viewpoints: http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....;t=5141 Thanks. Holy shit. I visited my creations to find them badly corrupted by the bizarre character set issue that has lately afflicted the board. Search and replace fixed most of the character substitutions (I've learned from Pandas), but this board software does not handle long links well very well (often breaking them into segments such that they are no longer recognized as links) so I was sawing legs of a four-legged table for quite some time (every correction seemed to introduce new errors). They're not completely fixed but I'm gonna leave it alone until the charset issue is corrected. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,20:06    Quote (Kristine @ Aug. 22 2007,18:13) thanks. that made my week.

someotherguy Posts: 398 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,20:25    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Aug. 22 2007,16:34) PZ Myers was interviewed, and a segment appears in "Expelled". However, he was not interviewed for "Expelled":     Quote Why were they so dishonest about it? If Mathis had said outright that he wants to interview an atheist and outspoken critic of Intelligent Design for a film he was making about how ID is unfairly excluded from academe, I would have said, "bring it on!" We would have had a good, pugnacious argument on tape that directly addresses the claims of his movie, and it would have been a better (at least, more honest and more relevant) sequence. He would have also been more likely to get that good ol' wild-haired, bulgy-eyed furious John Brown of the Godless vision than the usual mild-mannered professor that he did tape. And I probably would have been more aggressive with a plainly stated disagreement between us. I mean, seriously, not telling one of the sides in a debate about what the subject might be and then leading him around randomly to various topics, with the intent of later editing it down to the parts that just make the points you want, is the video version of quote-mining and is fundamentally dishonest. Even for creationists, I find this kind of behavior to be somewhat shocking. -------------- Evolander in training

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 22 2007,21:51    comments are up on his blog... Lots of science questions from scientists and a few "right-ons" from, erm, engineers? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Freelurker Posts: 82 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,00:35    Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 22 2007,22:51) comments are up on his blog... Lots of science questions from scientists and a few "right-ons" from, erm, engineers? No, the "right-ons" are from creationists. -------------- Invoking intelligent design in science is like invoking gremlins in engineering. [after Mark Isaak.] All models are wrong, some models are useful. - George E. P. Box

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,00:37    Quote (Freelurker @ Aug. 23 2007,00:35) Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 22 2007,22:51) comments are up on his blog... Lots of science questions from scientists and a few "right-ons" from, erm, engineers? No, from creationists. Same thing!* *disclaimer. If you're a rational engineer disgruntled at my comment, please keep building safe bridges. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Freelurker Posts: 82 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,01:28    Richardthughes, As I've said here before, engineers and scientists are natural allies in this dispute. When the IDist engineers talk about engineering they misrepresent it as much as they misrepresent science. I have pointed this out over at UD several times, with some limited success. You don't hear more from the mainstream engineers simply because the IDists aren't calling for reforms of engineering. (They conveniently ignore the fact that engineering is at least as materialistic as science is.) Oh, and F*** you. -------------- Invoking intelligent design in science is like invoking gremlins in engineering. [after Mark Isaak.] All models are wrong, some models are useful. - George E. P. Box

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,01:43    Quote (Freelurker @ Aug. 23 2007,01:28) Richardthughes, As I've said here before, engineers and scientists are natural allies in this dispute. When the IDist engineers talk about engineering they misrepresent it as much as they misrepresent science. I have pointed this out over at UD several times, with some limited success. You don't hear more from the mainstream engineers simply because the IDists aren't calling for reforms of engineering. (They conveniently ignore the fact that engineering is at least as materialistic as science is.) Oh, and F*** you. Not enough CSI in that for me to decode! http://www.puzzlexpress.com/cgi-bin/query.cgi?query=f%3F%3F%3F Hoping for "Fund" or "Feed"!!   -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,02:51    Mario A. Lopez shows us that ID is more about appearances in the comments Quote Hello Mr. Stein, I am glad to see that you have joined in the battle against the Darwinian Gestapo. The great thing about all of this is that they have already admitted to the ?appearance? of design in nature, and better still, lack the mechanism to account for it. These are exciting times. Is that kinda like how ID has the "appearance" of intelligence but it vanishes on closer examination? And Darwinian Gestapo? Something of an insult to the real people who were tortured by the real Gestapo methinks.... -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,08:58    Is that mario lopez from saved by the bell?  He is a genius. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2007,09:28    Quote Errrm, ID doesn't have anything to do with religion or God.  It has to do with defeating materialism, which is anti-religion and anti-God.  See it doesn't have anything to do with it.   And it's all science so far!!!  the Explanatory Filter can identify design, except in cases where it doesn't, and your credit card number either has Complex Specified Information in it, or it doesn't.  You just have to ask the right IDist and be prepared for the definition and talking points to change. And it is completely compatible with evolutionary theory, except in cases where it isn't.  Depends on who you ask in the BIG TENT of Intelligent Design.  Some are young earth creationists (based on the evidence, of course, given in Genesis), some are Old Earth Creationists (based on the evidence, of course, given in Genesis) and some (one) are atheist pleasurian polymaths, and many many many many more (the rest) are just regular old bible-believing plain folks that don't have time to wade through facts and the logical structure of propositions.  Science=Democracy!  All Science So Far!!! -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

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