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stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 26 2007,14:55    Creationism growing issue in France Islamist publisher sparks debate with illustrated Muslim creationist book By Tom Heneghan Updated: 1 hour, 41 minutes ago With creationism now coming in Christian and Muslim versions, scientists, teachers and theologians in France are debating ways to counteract what they see as growing religious attacks on science. Bible-based criticism of evolution, once limited to Protestant fundamentalists in the United States, has become an issue in France now that Pope Benedict and some leading Catholic theologians have criticized the neo-Darwinist view of creation. article here

The Ghost of Paley Posts: 1703 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2007,16:02    I remember a Skeptics meeting I once attended where the speaker was taking jabs at American creationism and contrasting our hillbilly ways with the relative sophistication of other industrial countries. He proved his point by showing a slide that summarised a survey of Canadians on evolution acceptance. The poll said that close to half of all Canadians rejected Common Descent, which is pretty much the American percentage. What was funny is that nobody in the audience acknowledged the discrepancy between what was being said and what was shown, either during the presentation or after (as far as I could tell). I realised right then that the pro-science crowd was in for a nasty surprise down the road.... -------------- Dey can't 'andle my riddim.

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2007,07:28    Quote Bible-based criticism of evolution, once limited to Protestant fundamentalists in the United States, has become an issue in France now that Pope Benedict and some leading Catholic theologians have criticized the neo-Darwinist view of creation. "...has become an issue" is vastly overstating the case. ID/Creationism has not impinged at all on mainstream French media and virtually nobody I ask has ever shown any awareness or interest in the topic.

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2007,18:11    Indeed.  Other than in America and in American-funded groups overseas, ID/creationism is a non-issue. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2007,19:54    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Mar. 29 2007,16:11) Indeed.  Other than in America and in American-funded groups overseas, ID/creationism is a non-issue. But are we talking about the industrialized world? I daresay that most of the Middle East does not teach evolution in schools and that most of what is rather condescendingly called the Third World teaches its creation myths unfettered. Here's an excellent article that I read right before the Dover decision came down. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 30 2007,22:32    Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 30 2007,18:54) Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Mar. 29 2007,16:11) Indeed.  Other than in America and in American-funded groups overseas, ID/creationism is a non-issue. But are we talking about the industrialized world? I daresay that most of the Middle East does not teach evolution in schools and that most of what is rather condescendingly called the Third World teaches its creation myths unfettered. Here's an excellent article that I read right before the Dover decision came down. As in the case of the Turkish BAV, I'd be willing to bet that nearly every creationist group anywhere on earth is at least partially funded by Americans. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2007,05:10    Quote (Kristine @ Mar. 30 2007,13:54) Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ Mar. 29 2007,16:11) Indeed.  Other than in America and in American-funded groups overseas, ID/creationism is a non-issue. But are we talking about the industrialized world? I daresay that most of the Middle East does not teach evolution in schools and that most of what is rather condescendingly called the Third World teaches its creation myths unfettered. Here's an excellent article that I read right before the Dover decision came down. From the article: Quote But the universal themes of religion are not learned. They emerge as accidental by-products of our mental systems. They are part of human nature. It is this seemingly inborn gullibility that is exploited by shamans, confidence tricksters, politicians. Maybe it is a heritable trait that, whilst beneficial as a driver for social cohesion at the dawn of civilisation, is now losing out against the "rational" allele, allowing more of us to be sceptics. (Apart from skeptic, of course )

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2007,17:25    Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 29 2007,06:28) Quote Bible-based criticism of evolution, once limited to Protestant fundamentalists in the United States, has become an issue in France now that Pope Benedict and some leading Catholic theologians have criticized the neo-Darwinist view of creation. "...has become an issue" is vastly overstating the case. ID/Creationism has not impinged at all on mainstream French media and virtually nobody I ask has ever shown any awareness or interest in the topic. Indeed, Intelligent Design is hardly discussed, even among evolutionary biologists in France. And when it is, we refer to what's happening in the US. No one is going to support ID/creationism in the French media unless he/she wants to look like a complete idiot. Not that everybody here supports evolution, though... I've even heard of a female paleontologist who twists her research data to fit her views about some sort of prescribed evolution. It's strange that JAD, who is well aware of any sciencist that wrote a single world against Darwin, never mentioned her.

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