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k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2013,21:05    Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 05 2013,04:54) Quote (Zachriel @ Mar. 04 2013,07:23) Dipping toe into TARD...   Quote wallstreeter43: Yep Bornagain77, lucy should be reclassified as an ape in textbooks. Too late. Homo and Australopithecines are already classified as Hominidae, i.e. great apes. Not that anyone would be surprised but Bornagain77 et al failed to apply any critical analysis to the Rak et al 2007 study. I took a look at the study here if anyone is interested. It goes without saying that the creationists at UD believe that species are immutable so they are either one thing or the other which neatly rules out, by definition, transitional forms. Edit to fix a typo Don't forget Adam & Eve....and a snake -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2013,21:30    Quote Now that's a skilled attorney.??My God, there's no possibility for meaningful evolution at all, because, say, eukaryotes are all basically the same kind of thing, that's why we call them eukaryotes.??Or, one could say the same for "life." It's nested hierarchies all the way down!

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2013,21:49    Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 04 2013,21:05) Quote (afarensis @ Mar. 05 2013,04:54) Quote (Zachriel @ Mar. 04 2013,07:23) Dipping toe into TARD...     Quote wallstreeter43: Yep Bornagain77, lucy should be reclassified as an ape in textbooks. Too late. Homo and Australopithecines are already classified as Hominidae, i.e. great apes. Not that anyone would be surprised but Bornagain77 et al failed to apply any critical analysis to the Rak et al 2007 study. I took a look at the study here if anyone is interested. It goes without saying that the creationists at UD believe that species are immutable so they are either one thing or the other which neatly rules out, by definition, transitional forms. Edit to fix a typo Don't forget Adam & Eve....and a snake Well, the snake should be fairly easy to work in... -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,00:44    Does anyone know if Timaeus is Professor Ted (Edward) Davis at Messiah College? -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,02:04    Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 05 2013,00:44) Does anyone know if Timaeus is Professor Ted (Edward) Davis at Messiah College? Dunno. He's a prick, though: Quote Sorry for expressing myself unclearly. Basically I was responding with some irritation to the sneer of Alan Fox, who haunts these internet sites making pronouncements that good science is against ID, but cannot produce a single scientific accomplishment of his own (won’t specify any articles he’s published, any degrees he has earned, any scientific research positions he has ever held) to justify how he can tell good science from bad. He was trying to slight Behe in comparison with Matzke, when his own accomplishments are — based on any evidence he has presented to the world — less than those of either. I’m weary of his hobbyist jibes, so I indulged in a careless reply. My apologies. I'm sure he'll tell us what he's done as he's a credentialist. Someone should go to his place of work and knock the sailor's cocks out of his mouth. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,02:27    Quote (Patrick @ Mar. 04 2013,08:13) Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 04 2013,09:55) I've found that regular old creationists, whether they be YEC tards or IDiot tards, just don't get me off like they used to do. But, man. Vegans do.  Most internet vegans make liberal (and shitty) use of The Argument Regarding Design in their justification for being vegan. And they have (on average) very different politics from the creationists I have been dealing with.  It is very entertaining to wrestle these pigs. I bring this up because they routinely claim that all humans and human ancestors were actually herbivores or frugivores or breatharians or something equally hilarious And one tard in particular told me that Lucy was vegan. I was astounded.  I linked him the Nature paper that presented some reasonable evidence of tool use and meat eating associated with Australopithecus afarensis.   Tard said "Well, her species ate meat but Lucy herself was vegan" spaghetti everywhere "Vegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter-faction, the vegans, are a persistent irritant to any chef worth a damn. To me, life without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living. Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, an affront to all I stand for, the pure enjoyment of food." -- Anthony Bourdain "If God hadn't meant for man to eat animals, She wouldn't have made them out of meat." -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,06:37    Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 05 2013,00:44) Does anyone know if Timaeus is Professor Ted (Edward) Davis at Messiah College? Probably not. Unless he likes arguing with himself in public. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,07:29    Quote (olegt @ Mar. 05 2013,00:58)       Quote By the way, Mike Behe published over 35 peer-reviewed papers over several years, in his younger days, i.e., when he was in the stage of his career Matzke is in now — the stage of trying to prove oneself competent in one’s field. So make your comparison fair. Compare Behe with his tenured critics. Ask yourself how many peer-reviewed papers Ken Miller has published since 1999, for example. Or Dawkins, since about 30 years ago. I looked up Behe's pubs on Web of Science. As a grad student at Penn (1974-79), he had published 3 papers and a meeting abstract. In the next 5 years (1980-1984) he had 8 papers. I would not say he had a superior record. Timaeus is a weapons-grade douche. I recall him chastising Elizabeth Liddle for posting at UD instead of getting on with some science. Matzke apparently has more biology papers to his name than the entire UD OP-and-Further-Notes collective combined. He's entirely capable of being wrong, but if we're sneering at credentialz ... -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,09:40    Quote Let’s change the subject from Nick, Franklin. Since you are new here — I think. Tell me: which ID books have you read — not skimmed, or read negative reviews of — in full? And what works of evolutionary theory have you read? Mayr? Dobzhansky? Gould? Dawkins? Shapiro? Orr? And have you read Darwin’s Origin of Species in full? I’m not interested in talking about Matzke any more — my whole point in mentioning him was to deflect attention from him. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,10:02    I just realized that if KF, gpuccio, Upright Biped and other ID advocates think of biological design as information processing, that Tour should be asking for the chemical basis of computer programs. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,10:09    Quote (olegt @ Mar. 04 2013,18:58) Maybe in philosophy it's the page count that matters. (That would explain Torley's logorrhea.) But not in the scientific fields. Experimental papers are typically printed on 4-6 pages (plus supplemental info). It's not the page count that matters but rather the scientific findings. For instance, one page: A Structure for Deoxyribose Nucleic Acid Watson J.D. and Crick F.H.C. Nature 171, 737-738 (1953) http://www.nature.com/nature.....ick.pdf They packed a lot just into this single sentence: "It hasn't escaped our notice that the specific pairing we have postulated immediately suggests a possible copying mechanism for the genetic material." -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,10:30    I believe Einstein's 1905 papers were also rather compact. Most of the papers I've encountered on the net have been under 10 pages, most of that being description of data. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,11:54    DeBroglie's thesis was only 73 pages with padding! -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,13:20    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 05 2013,03:04) Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 05 2013,00:44) Does anyone know if Timaeus is Professor Ted (Edward) Davis at Messiah College? Dunno. He's a prick, though: Quote Sorry for expressing myself unclearly. Basically I was responding with some irritation to the sneer of Alan Fox, who haunts these internet sites making pronouncements that good science is against ID, but cannot produce a single scientific accomplishment of his own (won’t specify any articles he’s published, any degrees he has earned, any scientific research positions he has ever held) to justify how he can tell good science from bad. He was trying to slight Behe in comparison with Matzke, when his own accomplishments are — based on any evidence he has presented to the world — less than those of either. I’m weary of his hobbyist jibes, so I indulged in a careless reply. My apologies. I'm sure he'll tell us what he's done as he's a credentialist. Someone should go to his place of work and knock the sailor's cocks out of his mouth. That's an insult to promiscuous gays everywhere. Being gay and promiscuous is infinitely preferable to being an ID Creationist.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,13:23    Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 05 2013,03:27) "If God hadn't meant for man to eat animals, She wouldn't have made them out of meat." you might not want to stick with the logical form "If we weren't meant to eat x, x wouldn't have been made of meat." Unpleasant corollaries arrive fast and furiously after that premise.  :p

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,16:22    Quote (stevestory @ Mar. 05 2013,11:23) Quote (fnxtr @ Mar. 05 2013,03:27) "If God hadn't meant for man to eat animals, She wouldn't have made them out of meat." you might not want to stick with the logical form "If we weren't meant to eat x, x wouldn't have been made of meat." Unpleasant corollaries arrive fast and furiously after that premise.  :p Okay, then, She made it <i>possible</i> but not <i>imperative</i>. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,16:33    i don't think there is anything wrong with the form of that argument steve is just being a dick brb going to make lampshades from baby eyelids.   what, it's what they're for -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,16:44    Quote (olegt @ Mar. 05 2013,04:37) Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 05 2013,00:44) Does anyone know if Timaeus is Professor Ted (Edward) Davis at Messiah College? Probably not. Unless he likes arguing with himself in public. Oleg, I too have found a Timaeus and a Ted Davis in the same thread on other sites, but could it be that they have the same actual name? Please take a look at this: http://www2.asa3.org/archive....36.html Notice who it's from and what the second sentence says: "Timaeus back again." What do you think? -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,16:56    Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 05 2013,17:44) Quote (olegt @ Mar. 05 2013,04:37)   Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 05 2013,00:44) Does anyone know if Timaeus is Professor Ted (Edward) Davis at Messiah College? Probably not. Unless he likes arguing with himself in public. Oleg, I too have found a Timaeus and a Ted Davis in the same thread on other sites, but could it be that they have the same actual name? Please take a look at this: http://www2.asa3.org/archive....36.html Notice who it's from and what the second sentence says: "Timaeus back again." What do you think? definitely not him. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,17:12    Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 05 2013,07:40) Quote Let’s change the subject from Nick, Franklin. Since you are new here — I think. Tell me: which ID books have you read — not skimmed, or read negative reviews of — in full? And what works of evolutionary theory have you read? Mayr? Dobzhansky? Gould? Dawkins? Shapiro? Orr? And have you read Darwin’s Origin of Species in full? I’m not interested in talking about Matzke any more — my whole point in mentioning him was to deflect attention from him. There are a few missing. I need to update. HARD CORE CREATIONST ASSHOLES Muslim Harun Yahya (Adnan Okbar) 2007 "Atlas Of Creation" Istanbul: Global Publishing Hindu Michael A Cremo, Richard L. Thompson 1998 "Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race" Bhaktivedanta Book Publishing Neo-pagan/Native American Deloria, Vine Jr. 1997 “Red Earth, White Lies” Golden Colorado: Fulcrum Publishing Christian Ashton, John F. 2001 in six days: why fifty scientists choose to believe in creation  Green Forest AR: Master Books Austin, Steven (editor) 1994 “Grand Canyon: Monument to Catastrophe” Santee California: Institute for Creation Research. Batten, Don (ed.) 2002 The Revised & Expanded Answers Book   Green Forest AR: Master Books John Baumgardner converted to fundamentalism and became a young Earth creationist as an engineering student. Years later, he pursued a doctorate in geophysics which he received from UCLA in 1983. He describes that his motivation for graduate study was focused on Noah's flood, "Back in 1978 I felt strongly led to go back to graduate school and get professional credentials to work on the problem of what happened to the Earth in the flood." Unlike the majority of science students, Baumgardner's interest in a science career was not related to discovering true facts about nature. In his own words, "I would say my primary goal in my scientific career is a defense of God's Word, plain and simple." ( http://www.rae.org/believe....ve.html accessed 12, April 2004) Beauregard, Mario & Denyse O’Leary 2008 “The Spiritual Brain” New York: HarperOne Behe, Michael J. 1996 Darwin's Black Box.  New York: Touchstone (Simon & Schuster) “Our intelligence depends critically on physical structures in the brain which are irreducibly complex. Extrapolating from this sample of one, it may be that all possible natural designers require irreducibly complex structures which themselves were designed. If so, then at some point a supernatural designer must get into the picture. I myself find this line of reasoning persuasive. In my estimation, although possible in a broadly permissive sense, it is not plausible that the original intelligent agent is a natural entity. … Thus, in my judgment it is implausible that the designer is a natural entity." “Reply to My Critics” Biology and Philosophy 16: 685–709, 2001. , William Dembski, Stephen C. Meyer (Editors) 1999 Science and Evidence for Design in the Universe: Wethersfield Institute Proceedings. San Francisco: Ignatius Press Behe, Michael J. 2001 "The Modern Intelligent Design Hypothesis: Breaking Rules" Philosophia Christi, Series 2, Vol. 3, No. 1. 1998a "The Explanatory Filter: A three-part filter for understanding how to separate and identify cause from intelligent design" © Leadership University 2002 http://www.origins.org/article....er.html 1998c "Introduction" in Mere Creation  Dembski (ed).  Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press 2002.  No Free Lunch.  Why Specified Complexity Cannot Be Purchased Without Intelligence.  Lanham, Maryland: Rowman & Littlefield Publishers. , James M. Kushiner (editors) 2001 Signs of Intelligence  Grand Rapids: Brazos Press (Baker Books) _(editor) 1974 (2006 printing) “Scientific Creationism” Green Forest AR: Master Books Muncaster, Ralph O. 2002 Can Archaeology Prove the Old Testament  Eugene OR: Harvest House Muncaster, Ralph O. 2002 Creation vs. Evolution  Eugene OR: Harvest House Nelson, Paul Easily the biggest challenge facing the ID community is to develop a full-fledged theory of biological design. We don't have such a theory now, and that's a real problem. Without a theory it's very hard to know where to direct your research focus. Right now we've got a bag of powerful intuitions, and a handful of notions such as "irreducible complexity" and "specified complexity" - but as yet no general theory of biological design. Date: July/August 2004 Source: Touchstone Magazine interview O'Leary, Denyse 2004 "By Design or by Chance" Minneapolis: Augsburg Books Pearcy, Nancy 2004 Total Truth: Liberating Christianity From Its Cultural Captivity.  Weaton: Crossway Books for Good News Books Perloff, James 1999 Tornado in a Junkyard Arlington, Ma.: Refuge Books James Perloff 2002 The Case Against Darwin: Why the evidence should be examined. Arlington, Ma.: Refuge Books Polkinghorne, John The Faith of a Physicist  Minneapolis: Fortress Press,  Theology and the Sciences Rana, Fazale, Hugh Ross 2004  "Origins of Life: Biblical and Evolutionary Models Face Off."  (Colorado Springs: NavPress) Ratzsch, Del 1996 “The Battle of Beginnings: Why Neither Side Is Winning the Creation-Evolution Debate” Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press Ross, Hugh, Kenneth Samples, Mark Clark 2002 Lights in the Sky and Little Green Men Colorado Springs: Navigator Press Sailhamer, John H. 1998 Old Testament History (Grand Rapids: Zondervan) Sailhamer, John H. 1998 Biblical Archaeology (Grand Rapids: Zondervan) Sarfati, Jonathon 1999 Refuting Evolution  Green Forest AR: Master Books _ 2002 “Refuting Evolution 2”  Green Forest AR: Master Books _ 2004 “Refuting Compromise”   Green Forest AR: Master Books Sermonti, Giuseppe 2005 Why is a Fly Not a Horse Seattle: The Discovery Institute Simmons, Geoffery 2004 What Darwin Didn't Know Eugene Oregon: Harvest House Simmons, Geoffery 2007 “Billions of Missing Links” Eugene Oregon: Harvest House Snoke, David 2006 A Biblical Case for an Old Earth  Grand Rapids: Baker Press Spetner, Lee 1997 Not By Chance: Shattering the Modern Theory of Evolution.  New York: The Judaica Press Strobel, Lee 2004 "The Case for the Creator" (Grand Rapids: Zordervan) Stoner, Don 1997 ed.  “A New Look At An Old Earth” Eugene OR: Harvest House Publishers (original 1985) Stove, David 1995 Darwinian Fairytales New York: Encounter Books Thaxton, C. B., Walter L. Bradley, R. L. Olsen 1984 The Mystery of Life’s Origin.  New York: Philosophical Library Thaxton, C. B., directing editor 1989 “Of Pandas and People”  Richardson, Texas: Foundation for Thought and Ethics Veith, Gene Edward Jr. 1994 Post Modern Times: A Christian Guide to Contemporary Thought and Culture   Weaton: Good News Publishers Walton, John C. 1977 "Organization and the Origin of Life" Origins 4(1):16-35 Weikart, Richard 2004 "From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany" New York: Palgrave/MacMillian. Wells, Jonathan 2000 Icons of Evolution.  Washington D.C.: Regnery Publishing, Inc. http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....motives Jonathan Wells "Father's words, my studies, and my prayers convinced me that I should devote my life to destroying Darwinism, just as many of my fellow Unificationists had already devoted their lives to destroying Marxism. When Father chose me (along with about a dozen other seminary graduates) to enter a Ph.D. program in 1978, I welcomed the opportunity to prepare myself for battle" [Note: 'Father' refers to self-proclaimed Messiah, Rev. Sun  Moon]. Date: 1996. Source: Why I Went for a Second Ph.D. Location: http://www.tparents.org/library....WIN.htm 2006 “The Politically Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Intelligent Design” Washington DC: Regnery Publishing West, “Darwin Day in America” Wilson, Robert Dick 1919 A Scientific Investigation of the Old Testament Philadelphia: The Sunday School Times (1996 reprint) Whitcomb, John C., Henry M. Morris 1961 The Genesis Flood  Grand Rapids: Baker Book House White, Joe, Nicholas Comminellis 2001 “The Demise of Darwin: Why Evolution Can’t Take the Heat” Green Forest AR: Master Books Windchy, Eugene G. 2009 “The End of Darwinism” Xlibris.com and Amazon.com Wise, Kurt P. 2002 Faith, Form and Time: What the Bible Teaches and Science Confirms About Creation and the Age of the Universe  Nashville: Broadnam and Holman Pub. Zillmer, Hans J. 2002 “Darwin’s Mistake: Antediluvian discoveries prove dinosaurs and humans co-existed” The Netherlands: Frontier Publishing (One of the most stupid books ever published. Carl Baugh, Erik von Daniken, and the Bible in a blender with what must have been a lot of drugs). -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,17:18    Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 05 2013,16:44) Quote (olegt @ Mar. 05 2013,04:37)   Quote (The whole truth @ Mar. 05 2013,00:44) Does anyone know if Timaeus is Professor Ted (Edward) Davis at Messiah College? Probably not. Unless he likes arguing with himself in public. Oleg, I too have found a Timaeus and a Ted Davis in the same thread on other sites, but could it be that they have the same actual name? Please take a look at this: http://www2.asa3.org/archive....36.html Notice who it's from and what the second sentence says: "Timaeus back again." What do you think? That was Ted Davis posting a response from Timaeus to Ted and David Opderbeck. Clearly Timaeus is not Ted Davis. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,17:24    Ted Davis

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,17:29    Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 06 2013,02:40)     Quote Let’s change the subject from Nick, Franklin. Since you are new here — I think. Tell me: which ID books have you read — not skimmed, or read negative reviews of — in full? And what works of evolutionary theory have you read? Mayr? Dobzhansky? Gould? Dawkins? Shapiro? Orr? And have you read Darwin’s Origin of Species in full? I’m not interested in talking about Matzke any more — my whole point in mentioning him was to deflect attention from him. That last sentence is almost sig-worthy, although, oddly enough, Timaeus is being consistent; he started the conversation complaining that NM was getting too much attention at UD. He just doesn't realise that, like many IDiots, he is unconsciously in a contest for World's Worst Communicator* (don't worry Gary, he's nowhere near you). What I find amusing is that he has apparently not considered airing his grievances toward Groovamos, who, after all proposed the NM/Tour meet up and is sponsoring it. *Ever noticed how often they accuse critics of not understanding ID? With so much of the scientific community (well, all of it) being against ID you really would think they would wonder if their teaching skills are up to par. -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,17:45    Timaeus' Rules for Rhetoric: 1. To discredit an opponent, make untrue and easily falsified assertions about his qualifications. 2. ... 3. Profit. Declare victory. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2013,20:44    Timaeus corrects the mistaken notion that TelicThoughts is dead by pointing out there have been three threads and three comments since last November. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,01:55    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Mar. 05 2013,05:29) Timaeus is a weapons-grade douche. Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 05 2013,00:04) He's a prick... And a pompous, insecure ass: Quote I thus infer what I had already inferred, i.e., that you have no serious academic training of any kind, or, if you do, it is in something technical like computer programming or economics, not something involving the interpretation of books and ideas... The rest of your comments are a wild rant about Dover and ID... I suspect that you are of the Internet generation that does not read books but only web sites... As for your note 5.1.1, I’m intimately familiar with the Dover Trial and the documents and arguments advanced there. Your trying to teach me about the Lemon test is like a freshman calculus student trying to teach Einstein math. Save your schoolmasterish lectures for someone who doesn’t have a Ph.D. and hasn’t studied the Dover material far more deeply than you have. Goodbye, lastyearon. I can honestly say that you are one of the most intellectually insignificant people I’ve had the pleasure (?) of knowing on the internet. You make Petrushka and Nakashima look like careful scholars, and that takes some doing. T. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

The whole truth Posts: 1554 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,02:31    Has anyone at UD asked Timaeus to state his real name and credentials, including links to where any claims about his credentials can be verified? ETA: Since Timaeus is so demanding, "cannot produce a single scientific accomplishment of his own (won’t specify any articles he’s published, any degrees he has earned, any scientific research positions he has ever held) to justify how he can tell good science from bad.", it seems to me that he should be willing to produce, for himself, that which he claims others cannot. Edited by The whole truth on Mar. 06 2013,00:40 -------------- Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,05:52    He remembers me fondly.  Sniff... -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,07:48    Quote (midwifetoad @ Mar. 06 2013,11:52) He remembers me fondly.  Sniff... The petulant swipe at the opponent's intellect is something of a UD calling-card. I received the same at the mighty hands of UB, nullasullus and Axel (Axel!). They may have been right, of course ... -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2013,10:22    Quote (keiths @ Mar. 06 2013,01:55) Quote (Soapy Sam @ Mar. 05 2013,05:29) Timaeus is a weapons-grade douche. Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 05 2013,00:04) He's a prick... And a pompous, insecure ass: Quote I thus infer what I had already inferred, i.e., that you have no serious academic training of any kind, or, if you do, it is in something technical like computer programming or economics, not something involving the interpretation of books and ideas... The rest of your comments are a wild rant about Dover and ID... I suspect that you are of the Internet generation that does not read books but only web sites... As for your note 5.1.1, I’m intimately familiar with the Dover Trial and the documents and arguments advanced there. Your trying to teach me about the Lemon test is like a freshman calculus student trying to teach Einstein math. Save your schoolmasterish lectures for someone who doesn’t have a Ph.D. and hasn’t studied the Dover material far more deeply than you have. Goodbye, lastyearon. I can honestly say that you are one of the most intellectually insignificant people I’ve had the pleasure (?) of knowing on the internet. You make Petrushka and Nakashima look like careful scholars, and that takes some doing. T. Given all these adjectives, may I suggest that Timaeus is Dr. Dr. ? -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

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