khan
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| Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 23 2011,18:25) | | Quote (Badger3k @ Jan. 23 2011,16:58) | | Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 23 2011,15:24) | | Quote (Dale_Husband @ Jan. 23 2011,14:31) | | Quote (MadPanda @ FCD,Jan. 21 2011,18:48) | | Quote (Ftk @ Jan. 21 2011,16:01) | | I can't go tell PZ, Rich, he banned my ass years ago. He doesn't allow dissent. |
The first sentence is true. The second sentence is so obviously false that anyone with a working conscience must blush to see the accusation made: the troll was invited to leave for being trollish, not merely for dissenting. (Hint: there are practicing Xians who have earned the OM designation, some of whom have been known to tell Dr. Myers that he's full of it. Funny how they haven't been hit with the banhammer yet.)
So, FTK, since you seem to think that abortion is a bad thing, what mandatory minimum sentence would you embrace for women seeking to terminate problematic pregnancies?
You, Biggy, what's the difference?
The MadPanda, FCD |
It seems that the issue for anti-abortion fanatics is that they see premarital sex as a sin and thus things like pregnancy and STDs for unmarried girls and women are a punishment for those who sin.
That, in my opinion, degrades the value of children as much as abortion does. |
No, I would disagree that anti-abortion "fanatics" are *against abortion* because they know that premarital sex is a sin. Nor, do I look at STD's as punishment. Also, I might add that I, myself, was not a virgin when I married and looking back, I can see the value of being abstinent until marriage. Although, I'd agree that this is a very difficult thing to do, but not impossible.
Abortion should not be considered birth control, and that is how I see people using it (1). There are plenty of options out there for birth control. I don't have any opinion about whether abortion should be legalized or not. Every woman has to make this choice, I would just hope that they make it wisely. Personally, I don't think the government should be involved in the issue at all.
There is a reason why God advises one man/one woman (2). He is the creator....he knows how we were created to live so that we can live life to the fullest. Promiscuity leads to endless problems as well as disease. It's not how we were created to live. It also tends to make marriage to one person more difficult if people have become accustomed to sleeping with whomever makes us feel good at present. God didn't make rules to make us miserable, but to help us live healthier life styles. There are endless stories in the Bible that show what happens when biblical figures had multiple wives or cheated on their spouses. Good never came of it. So, it's not God looking down at us and not permitting us to enjoy life by being promiscuous or punishing us for doing so, but rather he is providing us with the forumla for happy healthy relationships. |
Bolding mine.
(1) This is the problem. You think this is how people are using it, but in 43 years of life, I've never met, seen, or heard of anyone who actually sees it like this, short of anti-choice fanatics. It's a talking point, a way of reducing the person making the choice to someone you can spit on and feel superior to. It completely ignores reality, even though you seem to realize it on one level. I do find it odd that you have no opinion whether it should be legalized or not, yet you say that every woman has to make that choice and that the government should not be involved. Sounds pro-choice to me.
(2) Except for all that Old Testament polygamy thing. And the forced "marriages" of captured virgins to the people who killed their families. Marriage to rapists. Yeah, God must have changed his mind, then. Like so much else in the Big Book of Multiple Excuses... |
Mhmm...okay, just my opinion again...
Let me clarify just a bit regarding using abortion as birth control. I don't believe that a woman, when she is making love with someone without protection, is thinking "oh, what the hell, if anything happens, I'll have an abortion".
But, I think that with the rate of abortions we see today, subconsciously, we know there is a way to rid of an unwanted pregnancy if all else fails.
Let me just add, that this is something that comes to anyone's mind regardless of religion if you are in the that position. Since it has been legalized by the government, there is ample opportunity to get abortions and I'd bet that abortion numbers are WAY up in comparision to before abortions were legal. Im sure promiscuity is way up as well. There is always a way out of it. And, even people who have been brought up knowing that abortion is wrong may take this avenue because it appears initially as the easy way out. It's something many regret. I remember thinking about it myself several months ago, when I thought I might be pregnant. Im 45...that would not be cool. All kinds of things crossed my mind. I think by making abortion so readily available, we kill millions of children every year, when much, much better options are out there.
As for OT polygamy, God did not advise this as a way to live. It was what was going on at the time. Many, many wrong or evil things occured historically in the Bible that were not dictated by God. Yes, there are those *very* few incidences in the OT where God commands something that seems to go against the grain. I cannot answer for God....I don't know all the circumstances, and I cannot know His mind. Overall, the Bible is *very consistent* in God's commands. There are endless arguments as to how one can justify God's actions in these few circumstances, but in the end, I'll have lots of questions for Him when I hit the pearly gates. Creation 101 is on the top of my list. |
My mother told me that her mother had several abortions back in the 1930s (something about the Depression). She was married. Was she a promiscuous slut? Or just as woman trying to survive?
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