Wesley R. Elsberry
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Yet more back and forth with Gary in the NCSE thread for Glenn Branch's article.
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Wesley Elsberry Gary Gaulin • a day ago
Gary raises a question: Given that he already knew and acknowledged that the assertion that the Kitzmiller decision was binding on just one school district was wrong, and that he finds it reasonable to instead claim that the number of school districts bound by the decision is negligible, why would Gary insist on using yet again the known false claim that the decision was binding on one and only one school district? Whenever someone thinks that they can rely on Gary for accurate information, they should remember this.
A cursory look at a map of the Middle District reveals that it covers nearly half the area of Pennsylvania. A look at the Wikipedia list of school districts in Pennsylvania reveals about 500 of them. Gary is still trying to pass off as reasonable his assertion that the Federal District Court of the Middle District of Pennsylvania might only have one school district in it. He really thinks poorly of his readers' cognitive skills on that basis, doesn't he?
Unconstitutional actions based on things more recent than a particular decision can still run afoul of a relevant decision. The Kitzmiller decision was about the facts in its case, and Gary certainly offered nothing for the court's consideration. Acting as though analysis of the Kitzmiller decision must now always take note of, or in some way be about Gary's peculiar output is preposterous.
There has been no deception about this on my part. Gary, though, has been known to tell falsehoods about the content of his code, such as including a "model" from Arnold Trehub in his code, or that his code models neurons just like a paper from Lehman and Stanley in 2013, neither of which, it turned out, were true.
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Gary Gaulin Wesley Elsberry • a day ago
I already covered this in your forum so again: Whatever!! Considering the size of the nation it's still a small dot on a US map, and that area helped write some the theory, from my long having been in their local news media schools and education forum sharing it there, where some of the theory was written. If Judge Jones thought I was a threat to PA then he would have likely said so a long time ago when I was electronically there almost all the time.
http://exchange.ydr.com/index....
But honorable mention for brand new music to go with that and thinking towards the future not the past! And topical choreography:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Also one from Dolly, for my having to say what I did in Glenn's article:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
I was taking it slow, wait and see what happens in future articles. But soon Robert Byers was left alone on their own after saying something splendid, again.
http://ncse.com/blog.......038...
It was easy enough to empower what Robert Byers said by right then briefly explaining the problem I saw with where things were going with Glenn's article series. I had to hurry up before their reply was plastered with clutter to get lost in, had to prevent that from happening (by mayhem having instead gone to subthread I started in comments).
This was a time when I was patient from the moment the NCSE blog article was posted, in no hurry to respond. Then Robert Byers left an opening that helps get the issue over real quick. That in turn started the countdown, for a stealthy mission, that left a trail for you to be there right on time too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
So anyway, how was your long day?
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Wesley Elsberry Gary Gaulin • 20 hours ago
I just find the hypocrisy stunning, where Glenn Branch's perfectly accurate statement can be held to be so "oversimplified" that it "isn't even true", and yet the repeatedly documented error of saying that the Kitzmiller decision was legally binding in one and only one school district gets dismissed with, "Whatever". Can you trust anything someone says who would do that?
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Gary Gaulin Wesley Elsberry • 10 hours ago
"The Dover Area School District is a midsized, rural, public school district located in Dover, York County, Pennsylvania. It serves the communities of: Dover Township, Washington Township and the Borough of Dover in York County. The District encompasses an area of approximately 65 square miles (170 km2). According to the 2010 US Census the district had a population of 25,779 people."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...
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Wesley Elsberry Gary Gaulin • 8 hours ago
Nobody disputes that the DASD is what Wikipedia says it is. Nor is the DASD article relevant to Gary's already-admitted-to-be-false claim that the Kitzmiller decision was only binding on one school district. DASD is one of many school districts that the Kitzmiller decision is a binding legal precedent upon. Why is Gary continuing to posture as if his incorrect claim could be salvaged? The Kitzmiller decision was specifically about the defendant school district, but it is binding legal precedent throughout the entire area served by the Federal District Court Middle District of Pennsylvania. Gary has been told this before, as previously documented. Gary can neither forthrightly admit his repeated error nor even commit to not repeating it in the future. And that behavioral trait makes Gary an exceedingly unreliable source of information.
Gary holds others to standards he comes nowhere near meeting himself, as noted in the comment Gary quoted Wikipedia at.
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Gary Gaulin Wesley Elsberry • 7 hours ago
Wesley said: DASD is one of many school districts that the Kitzmiller decision is a binding legal precedent upon.
What is important to notice is how the goalposts moved from the school district legally bound to pay damages after losing their case in court (for discrediting Darwinian theory) to a “binding legal precedent” that helps make it seem nationally legally binding and that the finding was against “theory” (that at the time did not even exist yet).
Simply stated: Groups claiming to be defending science are avoiding their responsibility to keep up with science progress (including scientifically noncontroversial how-to computer models to demonstrate the very basics of intelligence) by going around and around in circles throwing demonizing insults until all are too dizzy over Dover to notice that all vital scientific issues were totally ignored.
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Wesley Elsberry Gary Gaulin • 43 minutes ago
The only goalpost-moving operation in sight is Gary's.
Here's his original claim:
"The finding was only legally binding for one school district in all of the US, anyway."
Not even Gary said a thing about paying judgments, not until he needed some pretext to be able to single out DASD. How many school districts is the Kitzmiller decision "legally binding" upon? The answer is definitely not one, and is likely much closer to one hundred. As noted before, Gary already knew this, and yet here he is still trying to pretend he did not need correction then and now.
Gary can't admit error and will not correct it. This is not an insult, it is a documented observation.
As for scientific progress, the sources Gary cites as the major influence on his code are all more than twenty years old. As I noted before, teachers interested in the source materials will be much better off going directly to those than trying to glean the pre-existing good ideas out of the confusion Gary makes out of them. There's the old aphorism about a work being good and original, but what is good is not original, and what is original is not good.
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