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thordaddy Posts: 486 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,17:02    I've been contemplating a legal scenario and I need some scientific knowledge concerning the commencement of human aging. As of now in America, we determine our age based upon our birth.  But clearly, we were aging before that based upon the science, no? When do human beings begin aging?

Fross Posts: 71 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,17:19    they're never "not aging". -------------- "For everything else, there's Mastertard"

Ved Posts: 398 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,17:26    When egg meets sperm, not only has a new human life begun, but it also immediately begins to age.  If this happens here in the good old U.S. of A., not only is the new human an American citizen, but it must file an income tax return before April 15. But... only after this taxpayer imbeds itself in the uterine wall is it required to make contributions to social security.

thordaddy Posts: 486 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,18:04    Ved, I agree.  I think scientifically-speaking, the human being starts aging at conception.

PuckSR Posts: 314 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,18:12    Thordaddy.... The fact that you have posted this same topic 5 times clearly violates the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics BS is warm...and therefore subject to thermodynamic laws... You are actually reproducing BS(entropy)  and therefore increasing BS(entropy)... You need to stop...these laws exist for a reason...and you might piss God off by constantly breaking them....

thordaddy Posts: 486 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,18:13    PuckSR, You have no idea what your talking about, do you?

sir_toejam Posts: 846 Joined: April 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,18:48    says the pot to the er... actually no, it's just the pot talking.

PuckSR Posts: 314 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,19:12    Of course I know what Im talking about... You think humans age... but thats ridiculous...we dont age...we are merely changing.. I dont know why conservatives like you insist on calling it aging. Aging means that you develop extra limbs...but that obviously doesnt happen How dare you question my capacity for cognation

thordaddy Posts: 486 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 04 2006,20:54    PuckSR, Actually, I was envisioning a legal scenario in which one's age (according to the law) was an issue. For this purpose, I was wondering if it was more in accordance with reality to say that the human being began aging at conception as opposed to birth. I can see why the law would consider birth the "beginning" of the aging process, but that's only because it's antiquated and  unresponsive to certain scientific realities. I'm not sure your response would have any relevance in this legal scenario?

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,00:41    Quote (thordaddy @ May 05 2006,01:54) PuckSR, Actually, I was envisioning a legal scenario in which one's age (according to the law) was an issue. For this purpose, I was wondering if it was more in accordance with reality to say that the human being began aging at conception as opposed to birth. I can see why the law would consider birth the "beginning" of the aging process, but that's only because it's antiquated and  unresponsive to certain scientific realities. I'm not sure your response would have any relevance in this legal scenario? Something tells me thor was another 9 months until he turns 21...   -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

thordaddy Posts: 486 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,00:50    I was thinking about turning 35 in 2008?

Faid Posts: 1143 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,02:43    Quote (thordaddy @ May 05 2006,05:50) I was thinking about turning 35 in 2008? You also thought you were beginning to lose the Sceptre of Trolldom to the competition, and craving for attention you decided to strike back with another pointless thread. Typical. -------------- A look into DAVE HAWKINS' sense of honesty: "The truth is that ALL mutations REDUCE information" "...mutations can add information to a genome.  And remember, I have never said that this is not possible."

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,02:55    If Ghost of Dead Arguments ever gets around to posting one of his models, Thordaddy might lose the title of First Crank.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,05:57    Trolldaddy, Are you looking for a scientific definition or a legal one? You are (once again) mixing the two. As far as I see. Legally a human life begins at birth. Scientifically, nobody knows when an individual life starts. Prediction: This thread will be another waste of time.

PuckSR Posts: 314 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,07:24    actually, Thordaddy has introduced another problem by asking about aging.... Aging is different that "getting older".  Aging means that you are also showing signs of age.   If we were asking about aging...I would argue that aging cannot occur at "conception".  Depending on your strict intpretation of the definition... Aging either begins occuring when a fetuses cells first begin replacing themselves... Or it occurs in your 20s, when your body/mind quit growing and begin deteriorating.... Thordaddy...seriously...this is an even worse question than your others...and it seems like all your trying to do is annoy everyone and make them talk to you..... BTW....I will quit responding to your posts with inane jibberish when you start showing everyone the same courtesy....

normdoering Posts: 287 Joined: July 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,07:37    Quote (PuckSR @ May 05 2006,12:24) Aging is different that "getting older". Actually, aging, as for as technical definitions go, only means getting older: adding age. "Aging" for your view might start when cell death starts over balancing cell making. I think there is a technical name for cell death when an old cell stops making new cells and just functions until it dies... senscience? ...

thordaddy Posts: 486 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,10:44    StephenElliot, Don't you think the "legal" definition for age is in large part antiquated and unresponsive to current scientific findings? Shouldn't the law mirror reality as closely as possible?

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,10:53    Quote (thordaddy @ May 05 2006,15:44) StephenElliot, Don't you think the "legal" definition for age is in large part antiquated and unresponsive to current scientific findings? Shouldn't the law mirror reality as closely as possible? What should the law say about "idiocy"? When does that start? What point does Red become Orange? At which point do twins become 2 people? EDIT: At which point does a chimera stop being 2 people and just becomes 1?

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,10:57    Quote (thordaddy @ May 05 2006,15:44) StephenElliot, Don't you think the "legal" definition for age is in large part antiquated and unresponsive to current scientific findings? Shouldn't the law mirror reality as closely as possible? Age? Who has experienced exceleration? Moving through space? Or moving because space is expanding?

thordaddy Posts: 486 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,11:01    StephenElliot, Why do you bother responding with such drivel?  Are you trying to convey the notion that science is irrelevant in the determination of laws concerning age?

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,11:04    Quote (thordaddy @ May 05 2006,16:01) StephenElliot, Why do you bother responding with such drivel?  Are you trying to convey the notion that science is irrelevant in the determination of laws concerning age? Could I borrow an Irony meter?

thordaddy Posts: 486 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,11:08    StephenElliot, I hate to upset your sensibilities with my inexplicable power to coerce you to respond, but... Does science play any relevant role in determining laws concerning age?

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,11:08    Quote (thordaddy @ May 05 2006,16:01) StephenElliot, Why do you bother responding with such drivel?  Are you trying to convey the notion that science is irrelevant in the determination of laws concerning age? Which laws dtermine age? Age of what? Do you have a point? Is your point a singularity?

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,11:13    Quote (thordaddy @ May 05 2006,16:08) StephenElliot, I hate to upset your sensibilities with my inexplicable power to coerce you to respond, but... Does science play any relevant role in determining laws concerning age? I would say science plays a very important role in determining laws. What would you say?

MidnightVoice Posts: 380 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,11:16    Please tell me that Thursday isn't going to say that aging starts at conception, thus a bag of cells is a human being, thus abortion is wrong, thus the Pope is right, thus masturbation is OK for women because they don't spill any seed, thus women are all wankers, thus they should not be allowed out of the house, thus we should vote for right wing Christian nutbar fundamentalists. -------------- If I fly the coop some time And take nothing but a grip With the few good books that really count It's a necessary trip I'll be gone with the girl in the gold silk jacket The girl with the pearl-driller's hands

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,11:20    Quote (MidnightVoice @ May 05 2006,16:16) Please tell me that Thursday isn't going to say that aging starts at conception, thus a bag of cells is a human being, thus abortion is wrong, thus the Pope is right, thus masturbation is OK for women because they don't spill any seed, thus women are all wankers, thus they should not be allowed out of the house, thus we should vote for right wing Christian nutbar fundamentalists. Of course aging starts at conception. You was 0 years old till trick-daddy was concieved. Everyrhing else is a scam.

Stephen Elliott Posts: 1776 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,11:25    Quote (thordaddy @ May 04 2006,22:02) I've been contemplating You Liar!

Flint Posts: 478 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,11:27    A more interesting question might be, do humans STOP aging when they die? If not, at what point might they be considered to stop? Time just flows along, but after a while it makes sense to say "this stuff just isn't a person anymore."

Rilke's Granddaughter Posts: 311 Joined: Jan. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,11:34    Quote (Flint @ May 05 2006,16:27) A more interesting question might be, do humans STOP aging when they die? If not, at what point might they be considered to stop? Time just flows along, but after a while it makes sense to say "this stuff just isn't a person anymore." OK, here's my question.  If only two things are inevitable, death and taxes, and when you die you stop paying taxes - does that mean that if you stop paying taxes you won't die?

thordaddy Posts: 486 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 05 2006,11:44    StephenElliot, Actually, I was thinking about running for president, but I won't turn "35" until mid January of 2009. But scientifically-speaking, I will already be 35 years old and in fact I will almost be 36 and therefore eligible to run for POTUS. Would this hold up in the court of law, I ponder?

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