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Bornagain77
June 22, 2021 at 5:15 am
As to these comments from the article:

But the explanatory power of QFT comes at a high mathematical cost.
“Quantum field theories are by far the most complicated objects in mathematics, to the point where mathematicians have no idea how to make sense of them,” said Tong. “Quantum field theory is mathematics that has not yet been invented by mathematicians.”
Too Much Infinity
What makes it so complicated for mathematicians? In a word, infinity.
When you measure a quantum field at a point, the result isn’t a few numbers like coordinates and temperature. Instead, it’s a matrix, which is an array of numbers. And not just any matrix — a big one, called an operator, with infinitely many columns and rows. This reflects how a quantum field envelops all the possibilities of a particle emerging from the field.
“There are infinitely many positions that a particle can have, and this leads to the fact that the matrix that describes the measurement of position, of momentum, also has to be infinite-dimensional,” said Kasia Rejzner of the University of York.
And when theories produce infinities, it calls their physical relevance into question, because infinity exists as a concept, not as anything experiments can ever measure. It also makes the theories hard to work with mathematically.
“We don’t like having a framework that spells out infinity. That’s why you start realizing you need a better mathematical understanding of what’s going on,” said Alejandra Castro, a physicist at the University of Amsterdam.
The problems with infinity get worse when physicists start thinking about how two quantum fields interact, as they might, for instance, when particle collisions are modeled at the Large Hadron Collider outside Geneva. In classical mechanics this type of calculation is easy: To model what happens when two billiard balls collide, just use the numbers specifying the momentum of each ball at the point of collision.
When two quantum fields interact, you’d like to do a similar thing: multiply the infinite-dimensional operator for one field by the infinite-dimensional operator for the other at exactly the point in space-time where they meet. But this calculation — multiplying two infinite-dimensional objects that are infinitely close together — is difficult.
“This is where things go terribly wrong,” said Rejzner.
Smashing Success
Physicists and mathematicians can’t calculate using infinities, but they have developed workarounds — ways of approximating quantities that dodge the problem. These workarounds yield approximate predictions, which are good enough, because experiments aren’t infinitely precise either.
“We can do experiments and measure things to 13 decimal places and they agree to all 13 decimal places. It’s the most astonishing thing in all of science,” said Tong.,,,
“I want to know the space of all QFTs because I want to know what quantum gravity is,” said Castro.,,,
Other simplifications assume quantum fields are symmetrical in ways that don’t match physical reality, but that make them more tractable from a mathematical perspective. These include “supersymmetric” and “topological” QFTs.

Although the infinities, (infinities that crop up when mathematicians try to calculate how two quantum fields interact in particle collisions), are apparently extremely “difficult” for mathematicians to solve, (but can be solved using quote-unquote “workarounds”), the infinity that crops up when mathematicians try unify Quantum Field Theory and General Relativity simply offers no ‘workaround’ for mathematicians.

These ‘workarounds’ that he is referring to, (to deal with the infinities that crop up in quantum field theory), are called ‘renormalizations’.

One of the, if not THE, major mathematical stumbling blocks for theoretical physicists in trying to find that a purely mathematical “Theory of Everything’, (i.e. A purely mathematical theory of everything that makes no reference to God, and aside from the stumbling block of Godel’s Incompleteness which proves that there will never be a purely mathematical ‘theory of everything’), has been the problem of quote unquote ‘renormalizing’ the infinities that crop us when one tries to mathematically unify Quantum Mechanics with General Relativity.

The first attempt at unifying relativity and quantum mechanics took place when special relativity was merged with electromagnetism. This created the theory of quantum electrodynamics, or QED. (And eventually led to quantum field theory)

Theories of the Universe: Quantum Mechanics vs. General Relativity
Excerpt: The first attempt at unifying relativity and quantum mechanics took place when special relativity was merged with electromagnetism. This created the theory of quantum electrodynamics, or QED. It is an example of what has come to be known as relativistic quantum field theory, or just quantum field theory. QED is considered by most physicists to be the most precise theory of natural phenomena ever developed.
In the 1960s and ’70s, the success of QED prompted other physicists to try an analogous approach to unifying the weak, the strong, and the gravitational forces. Out of these discoveries came another set of theories that merged the strong and weak forces called quantum chromodynamics, or QCD, and quantum electroweak theory, or simply the electroweak theory, which you’ve already been introduced to.
If you examine the forces and particles that have been combined in the theories we just covered, you’ll notice that the obvious force missing is that of gravity (i.e. General Relativity).
http://www.infoplease.com/cig....ty.html

After nearly two decades of work, it only became possible to unify Special relativity and Quantum Mechanics when the “infinite results” between the two theories were dealt with by a procedure called renormalization, in which the infinities are rolled up into the electron’s observed mass and charge, and are thereafter conveniently ignored. Richard Feynman referred to this mathematical sleight of hand as “brushing infinity under the rug.”

THE INFINITY PUZZLE: Quantum Field Theory and the Hunt for an Orderly Universe
Excerpt: In quantum electrodynamics, which applies quantum mechanics to the electromagnetic field and its interactions with matter, the equations led to infinite results for the self-energy or mass of the electron. After nearly two decades of effort, this problem was solved after World War II by a procedure called renormalization, in which the infinities are rolled up into the electron’s observed mass and charge, and are thereafter conveniently ignored. Richard Feynman, who shared the 1965 Nobel Prize with Julian Schwinger and Sin-Itiro Tomonaga for this breakthrough, referred to this sleight of hand as “brushing infinity under the rug.”
http://www.americanscientist.o.....g-infinity/....nfinity

In the following video, Feynman rightly expresses his unease with “brushing infinity under the rug.”,,, Specifically he stated, “Why should it take an infinite amount of logic to figure out what one stinky tiny bit of space-time is going to do?”

“It always bothers me that in spite of all this local business, what goes on in a tiny, no matter how tiny, region of space, and no matter how tiny a region of time, according to laws as we understand them today, it takes a computing machine an infinite number of logical operations to figure out. Now how can all that be going on in that tiny space? Why should it take an infinite amount of logic to figure out what one stinky tiny bit of space-time is going to do?”
– Richard Feynman – one of the founding fathers of QED (Quantum Electrodynamics)
Quote taken from the 6:45 minute mark of the following video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....ODeoLVw

Now personally I find it interesting that Richard Feynman, an atheist, would have been so bothered by his “brushing infinity under the rug.” As for myself, being a Christian Theist, I find it rather comforting to know that it takes an ‘infinite amount of logic to figure out what one stinky tiny bit of space-time is going to do’:

The reason why I find it rather comforting is because of John 1:1, which says “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” ‘The Word’ in John 1:1 is translated from ‘Logos’ in Greek. Logos also happens to be the root word from which we derive our modern word logic.

John 1:1
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

of note: ‘the Word’ in John 1:1 is translated from ‘Logos’ in Greek. Logos is also the root word from which we derive our modern word logic
http://etymonline.com/?term=l....m=logic

So that it would take an infinite amount of logic to know what tiny bit of spacetime is going to do is pretty much exactly what one should expect to see under Christian presuppositions.

And although special relativity and quantum mechanics were, via the mathematical sleight of hand of ‘renormalization’, mathematically unified with one another in order to produce the very successful theory of Quantum Electrodynamics, (which eventually provided the basis for the standard model itself), no such mathematical sleight of hand exists for unifying General Relativity with Quantum Mechanics.

Professor Jeremy Bernstein states the situation as such, “there remains an irremediable difficulty. Every order reveals new types of infinities, and no finite number of renormalizations renders all the terms in the series finite.
The theory is not renormalizable.”

Quantum Leaps – Jeremy Bernstein – October 19, 2018
Excerpt: Divergent series notwithstanding, quantum electrodynamics yielded results of remarkable accuracy. Consider the magnetic moment of the electron. This calculation, which has been calculated up to the fifth order in ?, agrees with experiment to ten parts in a billion. If one continued the calculation to higher and higher orders, at some point the series would begin to break down. There is no sign of that as yet. Why not carry out a similar program for gravitation? One can readily write down the Feynman graphs that represent the terms in the expansion. Yet there remains an irremediable difficulty. Every order reveals new types of infinities, and no finite number of renormalizations renders all the terms in the series finite.
The theory is not renormalizable.
https://inference-review.com/article....m-leaps
Jeremy Bernstein is professor emeritus of physics at the Stevens Institute of Technology.

And as the following theoretical physicist noted, “the quantum version of Einstein’s general relativity is “nonrenormalizable.”,,, “You would need to add infinitely many counterterms in a never-ending process. Renormalization would fail.,,,”

Why Gravity Is Not Like the Other Forces
We asked four physicists why gravity stands out among the forces of nature. We got four different answers.
Excerpt: “the quantum version of Einstein’s general relativity is “nonrenormalizable.”,,,
In quantum theories, infinite terms appear when you try to calculate how very energetic particles scatter off each other and interact. In theories that are renormalizable — which include the theories describing all the forces of nature other than gravity — we can remove these infinities in a rigorous way by appropriately adding other quantities that effectively cancel them, so-called counterterms. This renormalization process leads to physically sensible answers that agree with experiments to a very high degree of accuracy.
The problem with a quantum version of general relativity is that the calculations that would describe interactions of very energetic gravitons — the quantized units of gravity — would have infinitely many infinite terms. You would need to add infinitely many counterterms in a never-ending process. Renormalization would fail.,,,
Sera Cremonini – theoretical physicist – Lehigh University
https://www.quantamagazine.org/why-gra....0200615

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Bornagain77
June 22, 2021 at 5:17 am
Moreover, it is not only that Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity have this unbridgeable infinite mathematical divide between them, it is also that, theoretically speaking, Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity contradict each other to the point of literally blowing the entire universe apart.

As Gregory Chaitin states, “There are serious problems with the traditional view that the world is a space-time continuum. Quantum field theory and general relativity contradict each other. The notion of space-time breaks down at very small distances, because extremely massive quantum fluctuations (virtual particle/antiparticle pairs) should provoke black holes and space-time should be torn apart, which doesn’t actually happen.”

“There are serious problems with the traditional view that the world is a space-time continuum. Quantum field theory and general relativity contradict each other. The notion of space-time breaks down at very small distances, because extremely massive quantum fluctuations (virtual particle/antiparticle pairs) should provoke black holes and space-time should be torn apart, which doesn’t actually happen.”
– Gregory J. Chaitin , Francisco A. Doria, and Newton C. a. Da Costa – Goedel’s Way: Exploits into an Undecidable World

Here are a few more references that drive this point about ‘tearing the universe apart’ further home,

“In order for quantum mechanics and relativity theory to be internally self-consistent [Seeking consistency between quantum mechanics and relativity theory is the major task theoretical physicists have been grappling with since quantum mechanics emerged], the physical vacuum has to contain 10^94 grams equivalent of energy per cubic centimeter. What that means is, if you take just a single hydrogen atom, which is one proton and one electron and all the rest of the atom is ‘empty space,’ if you take just that volume of empty space, … you find that you end up with a trillion times as much vacuum energy as all the electromagnetic energy in all the planets, all the stars, and all the cosmic dust in a sphere of radius 15 billion light-years.”
To summarize, the subtle energy in the vacuum space of a single hydrogen atom is as great as all the electromagnetic energy found in everything within 15 billion light-years of our space-time cosmos.” ,,,
Dr. William Tiller – Human Intention

Cosmic coincidence spotted – Philip Ball – 2008
Excerpt: One interpretation of dark energy is that it results from the energy of empty space, called vacuum energy. The laws of quantum physics imply that empty space is not empty at all, but filled with particles popping in and out of existence. This particle ‘fizz’ should push objects apart, just as dark energy seems to require. But the theoretical value of this energy is immense — so huge that it should blow atoms apart, rather than just causing the Universe to accelerate.
Physicists think that some unknown force nearly perfectly cancels out the vacuum energy, leaving only the amount seen as dark energy to push things apart. This cancellation is imperfect to an absurdly fine margin: the unknown ‘energy’ differs from the vacuum energy by just one part in 10^122. It seems incredible that any physical mechanism could be so finely poised as to reduce the vacuum energy to within a whisker of zero, but it seems to be so.
http://www.nature.com/news....10.html

The 2 most dangerous numbers in the universe are threatening the end of physics – Jessica Orwig – Jan. 14, 2016
Excerpt: Dangerous No. 2: The strength of dark energy
,,, you should be able to sum up all the energy of empty space to get a value representing the strength of dark energy. And although theoretical physicists have done so, there’s one gigantic problem with their answer:
“Dark energy should be 10^120 times stronger than the value we observe from astronomy,” Cliff said. “This is a number so mind-boggling huge that it’s impossible to get your head around … this number is bigger than any number in astronomy — it’s a thousand-trillion-trillion-trillion times bigger than the number of atoms in the universe. That’s a pretty bad prediction.”
On the bright side, we’re lucky that dark energy is smaller than theorists predict. If it followed our theoretical models, then the repulsive force of dark energy would be so huge that it would literally rip our universe apart. The fundamental forces that bind atoms together would be powerless against it and nothing could ever form — galaxies, stars, planets, and life as we know it would not exist.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news....66.html

Might it be too obvious to suggest that something, or SOMEONE, very powerful must be holding our universe together in order to keep it from blowing itself apart as our two best theories in science predict that it should?

Colossians 1:17
He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Moreover, it is also very interesting to note exactly what was left on the cutting room floor when the infinity between special relativity and quantum mechanics was first ‘renormalized’.

Feynman was right to be ‘always bothered’ by ‘brushing infinity under the rug’.

In the ‘renormalization’ of the infinity that exists between special relativity and quantum mechanics, Feynman inadvertently ended up brushing quantum measurement itself under the rug.

As Nobel laureate Sheldon Lee Glashow noted, “Although quantum field theory is fully compatible with the special theory of relativity, a relativistic treatment of quantum measurement has yet to be formulated.”

Not So Real – Sheldon Lee Glashow – Oct. 2018
Review of: “What Is Real? The Unfinished Quest for the Meaning of Quantum Physics”
by Adam Becker
Excerpt: Heisenberg, Schrödinger, and their contemporaries knew well that the theory they devised could not be made compatible with Einstein’s special theory of relativity. First order in time, but second order in space, Schrödinger’s equation is nonrelativistic. Although quantum field theory is fully compatible with the special theory of relativity, a relativistic treatment of quantum measurement has yet to be formulated.
https://inference-review.com/article....so-real

Yet, quantum measurement is precisely where the conscious observer, i.e. ‘the scientist’ himself, makes his presence known in quantum mechanics.

The Measurement Problem in quantum mechanics – (Inspiring Philosophy) – 2014 video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....5V71vUE

As the following article states, “It proves that measurement is everything. At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it,”,,,

Experiment confirms quantum theory weirdness – May 27, 2015
Excerpt: Common sense says the object is either wave-like or particle-like, independent of how we measure it. But quantum physics predicts that whether you observe wave like behavior (interference) or particle behavior (no interference) depends only on how it is actually measured at the end of its journey. This is exactly what the ANU team found.
“It proves that measurement is everything. At the quantum level, reality does not exist if you are not looking at it,” said Associate Professor Andrew Truscott from the ANU Research School of Physics and Engineering.
http://phys.org/news....ss.html

Likewise, the following violation of Leggett’s inequality stressed ‘the quantum-mechanical assertion that reality does not exist when we’re not observing it.’

Quantum physics says goodbye to reality – Apr 20, 2007
Excerpt: They found that, just as in the realizations of Bell’s thought experiment, Leggett’s inequality is violated – thus stressing the quantum-mechanical assertion that reality does not exist when we’re not observing it. “Our study shows that ‘just’ giving up the concept of locality would not be enough to obtain a more complete description of quantum mechanics,” Aspelmeyer told Physics Web. “You would also have to give up certain intuitive features of realism.”
http://physicsworld.com/cws....40

Moreover, this recent 2019 experimental confirmation of the “Wigner’s Friend” thought experiment established that “measurement results,, must be understood relative to the observer who performed the measurement”.

More Than One Reality Exists (in Quantum Physics) By Mindy Weisberger – March 20, 2019
Excerpt: “measurement results,, must be understood relative to the observer who performed the measurement”.
https://www.livescience.com/65029-d....ns.html

Thus since Quantum Electrodynamics is regarded by many theoretical physicists as the correct first step towards a purely mathematical theory of everything, and yet since Quantum Electrodynamics excludes quantum measurement and/or conscious observation, i.e. excludes the scientist himself, in that very first step, then Quantum Electrodynamics cannot possibly be the correct first step towards the correct ‘theory of everything.’

Obviously the scientist himself, who is putting forth a hypothetical ‘theory of everything’, is a VERY important part of the ‘everything’ that any ‘theory of everything’ must successfully explain.

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Bornagain77
June 22, 2021 at 5:20 am
In regards to finding the correct ‘theory of everything’.

Dr. William Dembski in this following comment, although he was not directly addressing the ‘infinite’ mathematical divide that exists between General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, offers this insight into what the ‘unification’ of infinite God with finite man might look like mathematically:, Specifically he states, “The Cross is a path of humility in which the infinite God becomes finite and then contracts to zero, only to resurrect and thereby unite a finite humanity within a newfound infinity.”

“In mathematics there are two ways to go to infinity. One is to grow large without measure. The other is to form a fraction in which the denominator goes to zero. The Cross is a path of humility in which the infinite God becomes finite and then contracts to zero, only to resurrect and thereby unite a finite humanity within a newfound infinity.”
William Dembski – The End Of Christianity – Finding a Good God in an Evil World – Pg.31

Philippians 2:8-9
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,

Moreover, when we rightly allow the Agent Causality of God ‘back’ into physics, as the Christian founders of modern science originally envisioned, and as quantum mechanics itself now empirically demands with the closing of the free will loophole by Anton Zeilinger and company,

Cosmic Bell Test Using Random Measurement Settings from High-Redshift Quasars – Anton Zeilinger – 14 June 2018
Excerpt: This experiment pushes back to at least approx. 7.8 Gyr ago the most recent time by which any local-realist influences could have exploited the “freedom-of-choice” loophole to engineer the observed Bell violation, excluding any such mechanism from 96% of the space-time volume of the past light cone of our experiment, extending from the big bang to today.
https://journals.aps.org/prl.....080403

,,, when we rightly allow the Agent Causality of God ‘back’ into physics as the closing of the free will loophole now empirically demands, then that provides us with a very plausible resolution for the much sought after ‘theory of everything’ in that Christ’s resurrection from the dead provides an empirically backed reconciliation, (via the Shroud of Turin), between quantum mechanics and general relativity into the much sought after ‘Theory of Everything”.

In regards to gravity being dealt with in the Shroud of Turin, the following article states that ‘The bottom part of the cloth (containing the dorsal image) would have born all the weight of the man’s supine body, yet the dorsal image is not encoded with a greater amount of intensity than the frontal image.’

Particle Radiation from the Body – July 2012 – M. Antonacci, A. C. Lind
Excerpt: The Shroud’s frontal and dorsal body images are encoded with the same amount of intensity, independent of any pressure or weight from the body. The bottom part of the cloth (containing the dorsal image) would have born all the weight of the man’s supine body, yet the dorsal image is not encoded with a greater amount of intensity than the frontal image. Radiation coming from the body would not only explain this feature, but also the left/right and light/dark reversals found on the cloth’s frontal and dorsal body images.
https://academicjournals.org/journal....D029455

And in the following video, Isabel Piczek states,,, ‘The muscles of the body are absolutely not crushed against the stone of the tomb. They are perfect. It means the body is hovering between the two sides of the shroud. What does that mean? It means there is absolutely no gravity.’

“When you look at the image of the shroud, the two bodies next to each other, you feel that it is a flat image. But if you create, for instance, a three dimensional object, as I did, the real body, then you realize that there is a strange dividing element. An interface from which the image is projected up and the image is projected down. The muscles of the body are absolutely not crushed against the stone of the tomb. They are perfect. It means the body is hovering between the two sides of the shroud. What does that mean? It means there is absolutely no gravity. Other strange you discover is that the image is absolutely undistorted. Now if you imagine the clothe was wrinkled, tied, wrapped around the body, and all of the sudden you see a perfect image, which is impossible unless the shroud was made absolutely taut, rigidly taut.”
Isabel Piczek –
Turin shroud – (Particle Physicist explains the ‘event horizon’ on the Shroud of Turin) – video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....3_TWuiY

Kevin Moran, an optical engineer, describes the Shroud Image in this way, “The unique front-and-back only image can be best described as gravitationally collimated. The radiation that made the image acted perfectly parallel to gravity. There is no side image. The radiation is parallel to gravity,,,”

Optically Terminated Image Pixels Observed on Frei 1978 Samples – Kevin E. Moran – 1999
Discussion
Pia’s negative photograph, from 1898, showed what looked to be a body that was glowing, but slightly submerged in a bath of cloudy water. This condition is more properly described as an image that is visible, at a distance, but by locally attenuated radiation. The unique front-and-back only image can be best described as gravitationally collimated. The radiation that made the image acted perfectly parallel to gravity. There is no side image. The radiation is parallel to gravity and, if moving at light speed, only lasted about 100 picoseconds. It is particulate in nature, colliding only with some of the fibers. It is not a continuum or spherical-front radiation that made the image, as visible or UV light. It is not the X-ray radiation that obeys the one over R squared law that we are so accustomed to in medicine. It is more unique,,,
Theoretical model
It is suggested that the image was formed when a high-energy particle struck the fiber and released radiation within the fiber at a speed greater that the local speed of light. Since the fiber acts as a light pipe, this energy moved out through the fiber until it encountered an optical discontinuity, then it slowed to the local speed of light and dispersed.
Discussion
The fact that the pixels don’t fluoresce suggests that the conversion to their now brittle dehydrated state occurred instantly and completely so no partial products remain to be activated by the ultraviolet light. This suggests a quantum event where a finite amount of energy transferred abruptly. The fact that there are images front and back suggests the radiating particles were released along the gravity vector. The radiation pressure may also help explain why the blood was “lifted cleanly” from the body as it transformed to a resurrected state.”
https://www.shroud.com/pdfs....ran.pdf

Moreover, besides gravity being dealt with on the Shroud of Turin, the Shroud also gives us evidence that Quantum Mechanics itself was dealt with. In the following paper, it was found that it was not possible to describe the image formation on the Shroud in classical terms but they found it necessary to describe the formation of the image on the Shroud in discrete quantum terms.

The absorbed energy in the Shroud body image formation appears as contributed by discrete (quantum) values – Giovanni Fazio, Giuseppe Mandaglio – 2008
Excerpt: This result means that the optical density distribution,, can not be attributed at the absorbed energy described in the framework of the classical physics model. It is, in fact, necessary to hypothesize a absorption by discrete values of the energy where the ‘quantum’ is equal to the one necessary to yellow one fibril.
http://cab.unime.it/mus....004.pdf

Moreover, the following rather astonishing study on the Shroud, found that it would take 34 Trillion Watts of what is termed VUV (directional) radiation to form the image on the shroud.

Astonishing discovery at Christ’s tomb supports Turin Shroud – NOV 26TH 2016
Excerpt: The first attempts made to reproduce the face on the Shroud by radiation, used a CO2 laser which produced an image on a linen fabric that is similar at a macroscopic level. However, microscopic analysis showed a coloring that is too deep and many charred linen threads, features that are incompatible with the Shroud image. Instead, the results of ENEA “show that a short and intense burst of VUV directional radiation can color a linen cloth so as to reproduce many of the peculiar characteristics of the body image on the Shroud of Turin, including shades of color, the surface color of the fibrils of the outer linen fabric, and the absence of fluorescence”.
‘However, Enea scientists warn, “it should be noted that the total power of VUV radiations required to instantly color the surface of linen that corresponds to a human of average height, body surface area equal to = 2000 MW/cm2 17000 cm2 = 34 thousand billion watts makes it impractical today to reproduce the entire Shroud image using a single laser excimer, since this power cannot be produced by any VUV light source built to date (the most powerful available on the market come only to several billion watts)”.
Comment
The ENEA study of the Holy Shroud of Turin concluded that it would take 34 Thousand Billion (trillion) Watts of VUV radiation to make the image on the shroud. This output of electromagnetic energy remains beyond human technology.
http://www.predatormastersforu.....er=3014106/....3014106

So thus in conclusion, when we rightly allow the Agent Causality of God back into physics, (as the Christian founders of modern science originally envisioned, and as is now empirically demanded with the closing of the free will loop-hole, then a very plausible solution to the number one unsolved mystery in science today, of finding a reconciliation between General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, readily pops out for us in that, as the Shroud of Turin gives witness to, both Gravity and Quantum Mechanics were dealt with in Christ’s resurrection from the dead.

Video and verses

Jesus Christ as the correct “Theory of Everything” – video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....u8–eE

Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me,”

Colossians 1:15-20
The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

Supplemental quote:

15:45 min:,,, “the fact that some of the brightest minds in physics have been working on this issue, (i.e. The unification of General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics), for 80 years now at least, and have not found a solution means that the solution will be extremely deep. It will be extremely significant if somebody found it, and it will probably be in a direction where nobody expected it.,,,”
– Anton Zeilinger interviewed about Quantum Mechanics – video – 2018
(The essence of Quantum Physics for a general audience)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....CvgnpmA


This pot is thoroughly cracked :p  :D  :)  

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2021,07:20   

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June 22, 2021 at 5:50 am
lenski’s experiment is not an evolution but an adaptation. The bacteria (the same species as before) just ADAPTED to digest citrate. That is it. After 33,000 generation, it is still the same E.coli bacteria.

again, this is an A D A P T A T I O N …. why do Darwinists call it an EVOLUTION ???? Can somebody explain to me? Seversky? JVL ? Anybody ?

PS: i looked at wikipedia, actually, “The populations reached 73,500 generations in early 2020”
So, let me repeat, after 73,500 generations, IT IS STILL THE SAME E.COLI BACTERIA…. SO WHERE IS THE EVOLUTION ???? 73,500 generations!!!! WHERE IS THE EVOLUTION ???? WHY IS THIS E-WORD EVEN USED ???? Perhaps one day i will be able to digest petrol… did i evolved into some other species???? I just adapted to eat something else than i used to…
Poor Martin is Stressed, you guys!

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 22 2021,13:12   

It doesn't appear that there are any dissenters other than Bob O'H left commenting at UD. Have the rest been banned? Or have they just gotten bored?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2021,01:43   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 22 2021,13:12)
It doesn't appear that there are any dissenters other than Bob O'H left commenting at UD. Have the rest been banned? Or have they just gotten bored?

Bored, I suspect. Bannination is usually ineffective, because how do you ban a sock?

Sev is around, and Pater Kimbridge is currently being accused of not being an engineer, because he listens to biologists.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 23 2021,07:57   

Quote (Bob O'H @ June 23 2021,00:43)
Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ June 22 2021,13:12)
It doesn't appear that there are any dissenters other than Bob O'H left commenting at UD. Have the rest been banned? Or have they just gotten bored?

Bored, I suspect. Bannination is usually ineffective, because how do you ban a sock?

Sev is around, and Pater Kimbridge is currently being accused of not being an engineer, because he listens to biologists.

Re "how do you ban a sock?"

Run it through the drier a few times, maybe it'll get lost?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2021,10:23   

KF can't stand it when his threads die out. In his most recent thread the last post was five days ago. So he posts a comment to try to revive it again.

I guess his cut-and-pasta machine is broken otherwise he would just post a new OP.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 24 2021,14:13   

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KF can't stand it when his threads die out. In his most recent thread the last post was five days ago. So he posts a comment to try to revive it again.

I guess his cut-and-pasta machine is broken otherwise he would just post a new OP.

There should be a variant of the New Age Bullshit Generator just for KF.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2021,09:36   

https://www.wonkette.com/house-r....-people

Because climate change denial is, at this point, too retarded even for them. I’m sure the tards at UD will keep pushing denial though. Nothing is too dumb for them.  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: June 25 2021,12:29   

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https://www.wonkette.com/house-r....-people

Because climate change denial is, at this point, too retarded even for them. I’m sure the tards at UD will keep pushing denial though. Nothing is too dumb for them.  :p

Steve, I'm beginning to think madness is rife in the US, not just Florida.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2021,09:38   

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Logic And First Principles Of Right Reason Philosophy
L&FP 46: A Big Questions Challenge — Confident Objective Knowledge Vs Grand Delusion In A Going-Concern World


The cut-and-pasta machine is working again.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2021,09:46   

My wish for today is that this regurgitation be utterly ignored. Probably won't happen though.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 26 2021,15:07   

Damn. WJM and Sev fell for the bait! :-)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 27 2021,18:59   

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Which is all the more reason for shutting down this thread. Criticizing IDists for the flaws in their logic is one thing, but their reasoning is so flawed that we are resorting to laugh at them. I don’t see the point.

On January 16, 2006, I started the first UD thread specifically to make fun of them. JAD? Dembski banning people willy-nilly? DaveScot being a Macho Tuff Guy? They were ridiculous to begin with.

It’s just gotten boring. If you go back to UD in the year 2026, and Barry hasn’t sold it off by then, Kairosfocus will have long winded rants with shitty graphics about how the world is coming to an end because people aren’t as bigoted as he is anymore, and he is Objectively Bigoted mind you, and bornagain will be rambling about the shroud of quantum Turin and cutting and pasting from his manifesto, And it’ll be just as boring in five years as it is now.

Ridiculing them for flawed science is one thing. Many of them back then were sane but woefully inadequate to present a scientific argument. But we are now laughing at people who obviously suffer from serious mental illnesses or pathological religious mania. I’m not comfortable with that. That is why I was in favour of shutting down Joe’s thread. I am as guilty as anyone else, but I think it is time to acknowledge serious mental illness and treat them with sympathy and support rather that ridicule.

These mutherfuckers hurt people. On purpose. Fuck ‘em. They deserve every single bit of derision and mockery they get, and it’s derision and mockery that’s pushed them back under the rocks from whence they came.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2021,09:15   

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Bret Weinstein has been demonetized by “FaceTube”

Weinstein, an atheist himself, didn’t realize that atheism today means illiteracy, innumeracy, and total control by the biggest totalitarian power — with no appeal. 2 + 2 better make 5. Atheism has no values to defend.

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These guys are all about the glorious free market when it refuses to bake a cake for a gay person. The moment it does something they don’t like, it’s the foulest tyranny humanity ever endured.  :)

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2021,10:12   

Not to mention the amount of projectionism that's involved.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2021,14:02   

WJM to KF over at his 46th re-shuffling of the same nonsense.
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I’ve visited with my “dead” wife several times. It was completely real, completely physical, just like this world. Several other people have also visited with her in the same way, and have confirmed the way she looks, dresses, acts and talks in that world. I’ve actually brought things back with me from that world (or other such worlds.) Do you think you can possible talk me into a “common sense” view of reality after I’ve been experiencing these kinds of things my whole life?


OK, I'm not sure who is crazier.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2021,15:17   

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WJM to KF over at his 46th re-shuffling of the same nonsense.
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I’ve visited with my “dead” wife several times. It was completely real, completely physical, just like this world. Several other people have also visited with her in the same way, and have confirmed the way she looks, dresses, acts and talks in that world. I’ve actually brought things back with me from that world (or other such worlds.) Do you think you can possible talk me into a “common sense” view of reality after I’ve been experiencing these kinds of things my whole life?


OK, I'm not sure who is crazier.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2021,15:20   


   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 29 2021,15:24   

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Demonetizing is NOT the same thing as censorship. Dissidents have never expected to be PAID by the establishment newspapers or TV stations.
He’s correct! But KF will probably respond with 17 illustrated, phenomenally turgid essays.  :D Linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2021,06:45   

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Astrophysicist Hugh Ross makes the case that some UAP/UFOs cannot be plausibly explained away. However, they are observed doing things contrary to the laws of physics, like incredible acceleration without visible means of propulsion, going from air to water at high speed without a splash, making turns that would crush anything material, etc.

He thinks that the best hypothesis may be that we are dealing not with extraterrestrial beings, who are after all subject to the laws of this universe, but entities from another dimension. As such, they are real but transcend our physical laws.

Theists, of course, have long held that there is another dimension in which real beings exist, such as demons & angels. But one doesn’t have to be a theist to conclude that extra-dimensional beings may exist & even visit.


LOL

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2021,10:48   

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Astrophysicist Hugh Ross makes the case that some UAP/UFOs cannot be plausibly explained away. However, they are observed doing things contrary to the laws of physics, like incredible acceleration without visible means of propulsion, going from air to water at high speed without a splash, making turns that would crush anything material, etc.

He thinks that the best hypothesis may be that we are dealing not with extraterrestrial beings, who are after all subject to the laws of this universe, but entities from another dimension. As such, they are real but transcend our physical laws.

Theists, of course, have long held that there is another dimension in which real beings exist, such as demons & angels. But one doesn’t have to be a theist to conclude that extra-dimensional beings may exist & even visit.


LOL

My question is why any being would travel millions of miles/cross between dimensions and then just fly around randomly in front of a handful of pilots.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 01 2021,11:03   

I suspect that some people don't like it when the answer is "we don't know".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2021,06:04   

Oh shit, y’all! After 12 months, there’s a new ‘paper’ at Bio-Craplexity! A Presbyterian Elder with an engineering* background examines the bacterial flagellum!

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An engineering perspective on the bacterial flagellum

A new paper at Bio-Complexity: This study examines the bacterial flagellum from an engineering viewpoint. This examination concentrates on the structure, proteins, control, and assembly of a typical flagellum, which is the organelle imparting motility to common bacteria. Two very different, independent approaches are applied and then compared in three separate papers: Parts 1, 2,


*surprised, aren’t you!  :p

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2021,06:06   

Linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 03 2021,12:38   

Someone needs to gather a group of biologists to travel around to different engineering projects and tell the. They’re doing it wrong.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2021,05:07   

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Someone needs to gather a group of biologists to travel around to different engineering projects and tell the. They’re doing it wrong.

We used to, but then ID got boring.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2021,10:42   

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Someone needs to gather a group of biologists to travel around to different engineering projects and tell the. They’re doing it wrong.

We used to, but then ID got boring.

Yeah, but that's only because their basic principle doesn't actually explain a set of observations, the way a principle of science is supposed to.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2021,11:58   

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Someone needs to gather a group of biologists to travel around to different engineering projects and tell the. They’re doing it wrong.

Old Joke is responding to comments made here over at UD. I guess he is getting lonely.
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And another clueless evo chimed in with:

[clip from above]

Biologists can’t even take care of their own field. If they could then engineers wouldn’t need to intervene. But that is moot as educated people understand that biology is a multidiscipline science, that encompasses system engineering.

People like Bob O’H are too dim to grasp those facts.


Says the guy who claims frequency = wavelength. :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2021,14:08   

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Someone needs to gather a group of biologists to travel around to different engineering projects and tell the. They’re doing it wrong.

Old Joke is responding to comments made here over at UD. I guess he is getting lonely.
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And another clueless evo chimed in with:

[clip from above]

Biologists can’t even take care of their own field. If they could then engineers wouldn’t need to intervene. But that is moot as educated people understand that biology is a multidiscipline science, that encompasses system engineering.

People like Bob O’H are too dim to grasp those facts.


Says the guy who claims frequency = wavelength. :)

And just like Pavlov’s dogs, when I mention Joke’s claim that frequency = wavelength, he reacts in a Pavlovian salivating fashion.
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Unable to cope with the fact that "frequency" and "wavelength" are interchangeable is in certain contexts, Kevin Middlebrook, aka Acartia BlowTard, continues its years-long infantile tirade.

I even provided the little baby with the following diagram to help illustrate my point. Unfortunately it wasn't in crayon, which means Kevin couldn't understand its relevance:

Absorption Spectroscopy

Anyone can see the top line, Wavelength, and the bottom line, Frequency, are interchangeable. And that when you are talking about a specific frequency you are also talking about a specific, corresponding, wavelength. And that when you are talking about a specific wavelength you are also talking about a specific, corresponding, frequency. To talk about one is to talk about the other. Interchangeable.

Further, anyone can see that a synonym of interchangeable is EQUIVALENT.

That brings us to frequency = wavelength in the context of the absorption frequencies/ wavelengths of CO2. Kevin Middlebrook, a dipshit who wasn't even part of the discussion because it was over its head, decided to chime in on something else it didn't comprehend. Context matters.

This has all be explained to Kevin. Infants don't like to be corrected nor ignored.

Talk about hoist with your own petard! Nice own goal, Kev

What Joke keeps ignoring in this response is that he didn’t use his “interchangeable”, or “context” arguments until a year after his frequency = wavelength claim. Until then, he was simply defending the obviously false claim.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 04 2021,14:09   

This was posted on his blog site just minutes after my original post.

  
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