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Posted: April 03 2013,11:58

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Over at UD, Joe is about to get posting privileges soon. Niwrad already dedicated him his very own thread titled "Joe scores".

This will encourage Joe to become even more of a prick - okay, that will take some effort.

This reminds us that evolution does not always proceed from simple to complex.

We used to be treated to posts by Dr.Dr.Dembski hisself. Then it was Barry. Now it's KF and niwrad. Eventually the forum will be handed over to BA77 and Joe G. Genetic entropy, fo' sho.

who is the bottom rung

my guess is byers but I have to say i wonder if Gordon Eliot Mullings of Manjack Heights Montserrat hasn't already claimed the bottom of the barrel

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Posted: April 03 2013,12:28

LOL

Joe and nested hierarchies vs and actual evolutionary biologist

Boom goes the dynamite.

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Posted: April 03 2013,12:39

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LOL

Joe and nested hierarchies vs and actual evolutionary biologist

Boom goes the dynamite.

LULZFEST.

But I doubt Joe will pay. Judging by his house, he doesn't have $10k.

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Posted: April 03 2013,12:54

Quote (OgreMkV @ April 03 2013,10:28)

LOL

Joe and nested hierarchies vs and actual evolutionary biologist

Boom goes the dynamite.

Beautiful.

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Ya see evolutionism is OK with any pattern

Ok, you don�t seem to be lying, you seem to be a genuine idiot.

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Posted: April 03 2013,13:21

An iconic poster boy of the Dunning-Kruger effect - he is sooo confident to have grasped the concept of nested hierarchy he might just show up ~~at an empty parking lot~~ before a qualified referee to cash in.

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Posted: April 03 2013,16:14

Losing $10,000 and so having to move to a smaller parking lot, further away from the mosque :(
But... his own thread at UD! :)

On balance, good times for Joe?

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Posted: April 03 2013,16:27

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Losing $10,000 and so having to move to a smaller parking lot, further away from the mosque :(
But... his own thread at UD! :)

On balance, good times for Joe?

PotW.

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Posted: April 03 2013,16:39

At first, I was wondering where Joe finds the time to post all over the internet between fixing toasters and tumbledriers, but then I remembered he has got a choice of three oneliners conveniently linked to three function keys on his keyboard.

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Posted: April 03 2013,16:59

We can see what happened when KF was given privileges to start threads over there. Namely, he uses it as his soap box, whines incessantly about perceived attacks on his person, regularly turns commenting off and channels the loudspeaker in the ceiling.

If I was at all a religious person I think I would be praying hourly for Joe to get the same privilege, just to have a single chance to see the final meltdown.

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Posted: April 04 2013,02:45

Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 03 2013,17:42)

Over at UD, Joe is about to get posting privileges soon. Niwrad already dedicated him his very own thread titled "Joe scores".

Hmmmm ... !click! ... OK, left side of the screen, Joe Scores yadda yadda yadda. Right side of screen, very pretty girl on dating site ad. OK, concentrate: Joe scores yadda yadda .... mmmm she sho' is pretty ... Joe Joe yadda ...

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Posted: April 04 2013,06:05

Quote (Soapy Sam @ April 04 2013,09:45)

Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 03 2013,17:42)

Over at UD, Joe is about to get posting privileges soon. Niwrad already dedicated him his very own thread titled "Joe scores".

Hmmmm ... !click! ... OK, left side of the screen, Joe Scores yadda yadda yadda. Right side of screen, very pretty girl on dating site ad. OK, concentrate: Joe scores yadda yadda .... mmmm she sho' is pretty ... Joe Joe yadda ...

If by "scoring" you mean getting all excited over internet porn, then I can see your point.

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Posted: April 04 2013,06:12

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Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 03 2013,17:42)

Over at UD, Joe is about to get posting privileges soon. Niwrad already dedicated him his very own thread titled "Joe scores".

Hmmmm ... !click! ... OK, left side of the screen, Joe Scores yadda yadda yadda. Right side of screen, very pretty girl on dating site ad. OK, concentrate: Joe scores yadda yadda .... mmmm she sho' is pretty ... Joe Joe yadda ...

If by "scoring" you mean getting all excited over internet porn, then I can see your point.

If the Joester finally scored, I'm pleased for him, but it's hard to concentrate on his doings when UD keep pushing pretty girls in my direction ...

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Posted: April 04 2013,06:32

What I meant was Joe never scores in real life, so excessive posting and sneaking in a graphic pic at The Skeptical Zone are his pathetic substitutes.

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Posted: April 04 2013,09:00

Want to have some fun? Feel free to remove the text and add your own.

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Posted: April 04 2013,09:30

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Want to have some fun? Feel free to remove the text and add your own.

Drs Dunning and Kruger check back through their old case studies ...

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Posted: April 04 2013,17:20

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Quote (OgreMkV @ April 03 2013,10:28)

LOL

Joe and nested hierarchies vs and actual evolutionary biologist

Boom goes the dynamite.

Beautiful.

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Ya see evolutionism is OK with any pattern

Ok, you don�t seem to be lying, you seem to be a genuine idiot.

Still going, so funny!

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Posted: April 04 2013,17:56

Did you notice that on that thread, Joe is commenting both as JoeG and frisbee_kid? Maybe JoeG is the Christian, and frisbee_kid is the Muslim in his split personality.

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Posted: April 04 2013,18:46

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LOL

Joe and nested hierarchies vs and actual evolutionary biologist

Boom goes the dynamite.

Beautiful.

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Ya see evolutionism is OK with any pattern

Ok, you don�t seem to be lying, you seem to be a genuine idiot.

Still going, so funny!

Good grief! I once tried to 'discuss' nested hierarchies with him at UD (though I'm no expert). Just one long "ya see"-fest. Set theory? Statistics? Likelihood? Confidence? Whassat?

Andy complains that his misconceptions go back two months! I've seen the same conversation going back to 2007. Just click on Joe's username, it's the first thing that comes up. Pay up Joe.

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Posted: April 04 2013,19:09

IIRC, Zachriel tried to explain nested hierarchies to Joe, and after what seemed weeks Joe was on the brink of understanding. And then - crash! the iron curtain fell down, and Joe balked at the last step. It seems to be a psychological problem: If Joe understood nested hierarchy, his whole identity would crumble like CAEK.

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Posted: April 05 2013,03:14

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IIRC, Zachriel tried to explain nested hierarchies to Joe, and after what seemed weeks Joe was on the brink of understanding. And then - crash! the iron curtain fell down, and Joe balked at the last step. It seems to be a psychological problem: If Joe understood nested hierarchy, his whole identity would crumble like CAEK.

I've found this resource that clears it all up.

http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.co.uk/2012.......cs.html

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The clade is not constructed based on ancestor-descendent relationships, those are assumed. And ancestor-descendent relationships form a non-nested hierarchy- see Eric B Knox, "The use of hierarchies as organizational models in systematics", Biological Journal of the Linnean Society (1998), 63: 1�49

The clade is not constructed on something that forms a non-nested hierarchy. Which is therefore .... well, OK! You infer phylogeny, you don't assume it. And you try multiple characters. If you keep getting similar trees, a process must be patterning that sharing of multiple characters in 'tree-like' manner. Now what could that be...? He quotes Knox incessantly. Yet if Knox tried to explain it to him, he'd instantly become a "shit muncher". �

Get Knox to adjudicate, Joe.

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Posted: April 05 2013,06:23

Joe has been unable to learn for six years that it's clades, rather than species, that form a nested hierarchy. His umpteenth appeal to Knox's paper reveals this fact for the umpteenth time.

Species of course do not form a nested hierarchy (as defined in set theory): a mother species does not contain the two daughter species in Knox's example. However, the clade including the mother species and the daughter species contains the clades that include the daughter species alone. This is trivially true by definition. It's elementary. Joe, however, has so few functioning brain cells that he can't wrap them around this simple concept.

Bonus track: Joe being clueless 2009 and in 2010.

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Posted: April 05 2013,08:10

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Bonus track: Joe being clueless 2009 and in 2010.

Love the oldies. They always have a catchy tune.

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Posted: April 05 2013,09:13

Quote (Kattarina98 @ April 04 2013,15:56)

Did you notice that on that thread, Joe is commenting both as JoeG and frisbee_kid? Maybe JoeG is the Christian, and frisbee_kid is the Muslim in his split personality.

And he may resort to John Paul, ID Guy, Jim, or whatever other user names he uses.

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Posted: April 05 2013,13:40

Quote (OgreMkV @ April 03 2013,12:28)

LOL

Joe and nested hierarchies vs and actual evolutionary biologist
Boom goes the dynamite.

This has probably been noted before, but I haven't been following Joe's blog lately. �

It's interesting to contrast Joe in 2006, in a post entitled "Why Set Theory is irrelevant when discussing Nested Hierarchy (sic)":

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That is why when you are talking about nested hierarchy and someone tries to divert the attention to set theory they are up to nothing but deception.

with Joe now, at the Skepticink thread:

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Nested hierarchies are constructed by making sets. Those are specified, well-defined sets in a specified well-defined order.

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Posted: April 05 2013,14:03

Edit:
Over at UD, Joe crows victory! I guess that means his future posting privileges are down the drain.

Edited by Kattarina98 on April 05 2013,22:07

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Posted: April 05 2013,15:27

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Edit:
Over at UD, Joe crows victory! I guess that means his future posting privileges are down the drain.

Nothing like leaving out the facts:

"Hey Barry, can I sue him?"

No, because he's proposed judges and is even fine with Joe picking them. Please persue this Joe, you losing $10k will make me laugh.

ETA: Joe is too cowardly to link what actually happened.

Edited by Richardthughes on April 05 2013,15:28

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Posted: April 05 2013,15:33

Might as well post this gem from Denton (pre Destiny Denton)

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There is another stringent condition which must be satisfied if a hierarchic pattern is to result as the end product of an evolutionary process: no ancestral forms can be permitted to survive. This can be seen by examining the tree diagram on page 135. If any of the ancestors X, Y, or Z, or if any of the hypothetical transitional connecting species stationed on the main branches of the tree, had survived and had therefore to be included in the classification scheme, the distinctness of the divisions would be blurred by intermediate or partially inclusive classes and what remained of the hierarchic pattern would be highly disordered.- Denton, �Evolution: A Theory in Crisis� page 136 (X, Y and Z are hypothetical parental node populations)

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Posted: April 05 2013,16:42

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Over at UD, Joe crows victory! I guess that means his future posting privileges are down the drain.

Nothing like leaving out the facts:

"Hey Barry, can I sue him?"

No, because he's proposed judges and is even fine with Joe picking them. Please persue this Joe, you losing $10k will make me laugh.

ETA: Joe is too cowardly to link what actually happened.

I agree, I so hope that he does try to sue me :D

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