Thrinaxodon
Posts: 65
Joined: June 2013
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| Quote (eigenstate @ June 05 2013,11:30) | | Quote (Thrinaxodon @ June 05 2013,11:00) | | Quote (Febble @ June 05 2013,10:56) | | Quote (Thrinaxodon @ June 05 2013,10:53) | | It's called, "Deception by Omission". |
I'm still not sure what you mean by "cowardly". Do you mean that I (or the people who post there) are hiding something they are frightened to show? |
Your cowardly by not letting the people from the other side post. |
If any cowardice exists, it's to be found in the ID advocates and admins at Uncommon Descent. ID apologists at UD are both heavily committed to real ideological censorship -- not moderation to control hate speech, spam, verbal abuse, etc, but banning users and deleting content because it is *ideologically* offensive -- and also conspicuously unwilling to venture outside the safe confines of UD where the admins will tolerate their abuses, and protect them from any persistent ideological challenge.
At TSZ, the problem is the reverse. It's difficult to find IDers who are willing to venture out of UD and engage in an open conversation, to participate in a two-way exchange. William J. Murray and a couple of other sporadic posters (Blas?) show that it can be done, and all the better for the discussion at TSZ, but the real take-away from TSZ is that UD's denizens are a group that is only able/comfortable in a setting where they are protected from critique and challenge. TSZ would flourish all the more if the UD crowd had the fortitude to actually engage their critics.
Similarly, UD would flourish in the "it's interesting and educational" sense if it could find the courage to tolerate critics in its discussions. It would be a PR and political disaster for ID, as ID can't hold it's own in a fair fight between ideas. But it would be an interesting spectacle, and has been at times when UD had brief lapses in censorial and bullying responses.
Just look at the "doors". At TSZ, the door is wide open and the welcome mat is out. Even if you get way off topic, or personally nasty, even then you don't get banned, or your posts disappeared; you get those posts quarantined, moved to the side, but still available (which is wise, because it stops short of censorship, and leaves the "incriminating posts" available to be judged by the fair reader).
At UD, as soon as you become a bit difficult to deal with ideologically, you are banned. UD keeps a small cadre of "token" critics around, for appearance's sake, but these are few in number and tolerated because their criticism can be kept to manageable margins. If UD were to open up to all interested parties, they would be overrun with critics, many of them exceedingly polite and civil, but devastating in their critiques of ID and defenses of science against ID's attacks against it.
I'm not sure where you got the impression you did -- perhaps you are only familiar with TSZ and not familiar with Uncommon Descent -- but you have the facts backward. TSZ is as open and tolerant a forum as you are likely to find on the net. |
No. This website, doesn't delete any content (other than spam).
http://members3.boardhost.com/john412....john412
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Velikovsky is right.
Humans originated in the Devonian.
talk.origins is a place for people to p*ss on others.
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