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clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 20 2013,13:18    Thank you, keiths, for your latest post on TSZ. I read that blog because I always learn something from the discussions. I am absolutely certain, however, that William J Murray is a dick.

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 20 2013,21:58    Quote (clamboy @ July 20 2013,11:18) Thank you, keiths, for your latest post on TSZ. I read that blog because I always learn something from the discussions. I am absolutely certain, however, that William J Murray is a dick. Thanks, clamboy. Yes, WJM can be a bit of a pain.  I do give him credit for venturing out of the UD echo chamber, though. I can't figure out why the rest of the UDers are so fearful. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 20 2013,22:46    Quote (keiths @ July 20 2013,21:58) Quote (clamboy @ July 20 2013,11:18) Thank you, keiths, for your latest post on TSZ. I read that blog because I always learn something from the discussions. I am absolutely certain, however, that William J Murray is a dick. Thanks, clamboy. Yes, WJM can be a bit of a pain.  I do give him credit for venturing out of the UD echo chamber, though. I can't figure out why the rest of the UDers are so fearful. I get that they should be afraid.  What surprises me is that they are. Most of them are so sure they're right, that from their perspective they should have nothing to fear. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2013,03:01    Every time I read WJM blab on about how he 'chooses' to believe whatever he likes I die a little inside. Volitional belief is just as nonsensical as volitional digestion, or volitional liver function. But at the risk of going off on a rant I'll leave it be. (Christ, I was sounding a bit like Gil Dodgen there.... )

Merc Posts: 5 Joined: June 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2013,03:11    Quote (keiths @ July 20 2013,21:58) Quote (clamboy @ July 20 2013,11:18) Thank you, keiths, for your latest post on TSZ. I read that blog because I always learn something from the discussions. I am absolutely certain, however, that William J Murray is a dick. Thanks, clamboy. Yes, WJM can be a bit of a pain.  I do give him credit for venturing out of the UD echo chamber, though. I can't figure out why the rest of the UDers are so fearful. I do, Keith. Their faith is WEAK. That explains all of their behavior.

damitall Posts: 331 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2013,04:37    Quote (Woodbine @ July 21 2013,03:01) Every time I read WJM blab on about how he 'chooses' to believe whatever he likes I die a little inside. Volitional belief is just as nonsensical as volitional digestion, or volitional liver function. But at the risk of going off on a rant I'll leave it be... Thank goodness! - I thought it was just me that thought he's a prat, so many people seem to take him so seriously

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2013,06:36    Quote (Merc @ July 21 2013,03:11)   Quote (keiths @ July 20 2013,21:58)   Quote (clamboy @ July 20 2013,11:18) Thank you, keiths, for your latest post on TSZ. I read that blog because I always learn something from the discussions. I am absolutely certain, however, that William J Murray is a dick. Thanks, clamboy. Yes, WJM can be a bit of a pain.  I do give him credit for venturing out of the UD echo chamber, though. I can't figure out why the rest of the UDers are so fearful. I do, Keith. Their faith is WEAK. That explains all of their behavior. You are damn right! Matthew on faith. -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

Febble Posts: 310 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2013,08:30    I think that is true. At least some IDers seem to want some kind of scientific endorsement for their faith. I don't think that's true of Dembski, however.  I think he just knows that he's got a market for his product.

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2013,11:07    Quote (Febble @ July 21 2013,08:30) I think that is true. At least some IDers seem to want some kind of scientific endorsement for their faith. I don't think that's true of Dembski, however.  I think he just knows that he's got a market for his product. Dembski was just as eager as his fellow DI Fellows in 1997 to try and get an explicit recognition that ID was scientific in nature. I haven't interacted personally with Dembski since the Greer-Heard Forum in 2006, so I can't speak to his most recent endeavors. But in my experience, I haven't had the feeling that Dembski was insincere. He certainly has an unwarranted self-assessment of his contributions and what those should be worth in term$ of money, but I don't think it is solely about the Benjamins for Dembski, or hasn't always been so. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2013,11:33    Yes, sadly, the man who took his autistic son to a faith healer seems all too willing to wallow in the woo. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Febble Posts: 310 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 21 2013,12:17    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 21 2013,11:07) Quote (Febble @ July 21 2013,08:30) I think that is true. At least some IDers seem to want some kind of scientific endorsement for their faith. I don't think that's true of Dembski, however.  I think he just knows that he's got a market for his product. Dembski was just as eager as his fellow DI Fellows in 1997 to try and get an explicit recognition that ID was scientific in nature. I haven't interacted personally with Dembski since the Greer-Heard Forum in 2006, so I can't speak to his most recent endeavors. But in my experience, I haven't had the feeling that Dembski was insincere. He certainly has an unwarranted self-assessment of his contributions and what those should be worth in term$ of money, but I don't think it is solely about the Benjamins for Dembski, or hasn't always been so. Actually I meant something slightly more generous.  I don't think Dembski is essentially insincere.  I just think he's theologically nimble enough to retain his faith were he to conclude that his inference was fallacious (I think he's even said as much).  It's easy enough to do. But he doesn't have much incentive to do that, as he has a market of people who may be more needy of a scientific prop than he is. And you do have to doubt the intellectual honesty of people who simply will not enter debate outside safe zones. That's the glaring assymmetry in the debate (well,to an outside observer, knowing nothing of the actual merits of the argument).

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2013,21:36    Well, I declare. William J Murray is, indeed, a dick, but my stars, how much more He has revealed of Himself in the "Ball State" thread at TSZ: paranoid, nutzoid, conspirazoid, Illuminatizoid, etc. We can recognize him now as a complete crank, as well as being an utter dick. Yes, it's honest, but dull, and a little disappointing, if only because so predictable.

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 02 2013,22:31    Bung and William.   Wow, that got stupid quickly. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2013,17:03    keiths, you win another WWARDIRJ. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2013,17:56    Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 04 2013,15:03) keiths, you win another WWARDIRJ. Thank you, thank you.  I manifested that award, you know. For curious onlookers: Link, Link. William is desperately trying to distance himself from his own wootard.  I guess he likes the theotard better. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2013,18:45    Quote You don’t have to consciously control every blade of grass or leaf on the tree – the mind is a quantum machine that has infinite potential, and is connected via wave entanglement to everything in the universe. It can do things by magic, by science, by instantaneous creation, by cause and effect, by miraculous confluences of synchronicity. It can organize billions of cells and the activity or several organs in your body to accomplish minute-by-minute tasks; it can certainly organize the so-called “exterior world” with the same magical precision and non-local, faster-than-light ability. It can organize all of that to make you look like the biggest asstard or the planet, apparently! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Henry J Posts: 5787 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2013,19:36    ... or the planet, or on the planet?

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 04 2013,19:47    Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 04 2013,19:36) ... or the planet, or on the planet? either! -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2013,03:21    WJM @TSZ - comedy gold! You must find out what my beliefs are right now before you can address them - and they frequently change, so best be quick about it. He thrives on the ridicule, of course: a skilled troll. Getting atheo-mats to be snarky and exasperated is the game. -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,â€� you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2013,07:50    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Aug. 05 2013,03:21) WJM @TSZ - comedy gold! You must find out what my beliefs are right now before you can address them - and they frequently change, so best be quick about it. He thrives on the ridicule, of course: a skilled troll. Getting atheo-mats to be snarky and exasperated is the game. The only winning move is not to play. - Joshua -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 06 2013,01:10    Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 04 2013,16:45)   Quote You don’t have to consciously control every blade of grass or leaf on the tree – the mind is a quantum machine that has infinite potential, and is connected via wave entanglement to everything in the universe. It can do things by magic, by science, by instantaneous creation, by cause and effect, by miraculous confluences of synchronicity. It can organize billions of cells and the activity or several organs in your body to accomplish minute-by-minute tasks; it can certainly organize the so-called “exterior world” with the same magical precision and non-local, faster-than-light ability. It can organize all of that to make you look like the biggest asstard or the planet, apparently! Truth Is Out Of Style, by MC 900ft Jesus. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2013,07:04    I see Mung has turned up to deliver inanity and present a lesson on how not to do sarcasm. Mung's mother: Put your coat on, dear. Mung: Do you even know what a coat is? -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2013,07:43    Quote (Driver @ Aug. 07 2013,13:04) I see Mung has turned up to deliver inanity and present a lesson on how not to do sarcasm. Mung's mother: Put your coat on, dear. Mung: Do you even know what a coat is? He's a card. Elzinga: Defend Hoyle's 'junkyard tornado'. Mung: Here's an entire book by Hoyle on evolutionary mathematics - refute it. -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,â€� you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2013,21:51    Goodness, those two threads on morality have driven William J Murray into heretofore unwitnessed fits. William J Murray, this is going to be harsh, but it needs to be said: William J Murray, go have sex with someone. That's an order.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2013,22:07    Quote (clamboy @ Aug. 18 2013,21:51) Goodness, those two threads on morality have driven William J Murray into heretofore unwitnessed fits. William J Murray, this is going to be harsh, but it needs to be said: William J Murray, go have sex with someone. That's an order. Preferably alive, and with their consent. With IDiots you never know... -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

rossum Posts: 289 Joined: Dec. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2013,03:51    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 18 2013,22:07) Quote (clamboy @ Aug. 18 2013,21:51) Goodness, those two threads on morality have driven William J Murray into heretofore unwitnessed fits. William J Murray, this is going to be harsh, but it needs to be said: William J Murray, go have sex with someone. That's an order. Preferably alive, and with their consent. With IDiots you never know... ... and not with yourself either. -------------- The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2013,09:50    Crosspost: Is this true: "And Alan Fox: Quote   That’s nothing. He even deleted a comment of mine at TSZ in one of his guest posts! J’étais carrément scandalisé!" If so I hope his posting privallages were pulled. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Kattarina98 Posts: 1267 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2013,11:09    Crosspost: Read it while it's still there: UD: http://tinyurl.com/m8twzde....m8twzde Same discussion over at TSZ: http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....?....?p=3024 EDIT: Dang long links! http://tinyurl.com/ke59eax....ke59eax Edited by Kattarina98 on Aug. 21 2013,18:11 -------------- Barry Arrington is a bitch.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 30 2013,03:45    Mung loves truth. Shame he can't find it. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

KevinB Posts: 525 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Aug. 30 2013,07:25    Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 30 2013,03:45) Mung loves truth. Shame he can't find it. Either that, or he's just not willing to share.

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