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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,09:43

WAD's "ID Predictions confirmed by researchers":

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William Dembski

02/14/2008

6:36 pm
Here’s what I had FTE’s PR people pass on to Keith Olbermann’s producer:

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Dear SNIP,

Please pass the following examples of ID’s predictive prowess on to [Keith Olbermann’s producer]:

(1) ID predicts that although there will be occasional degeneration of biological structures (both macroscopic and microscopic), most structures will exhibit function and thus serve a purpose. Thus most organs should not be vestigial, and most DNA should not be “junk DNA.” ID proponents have been saying this from the start, and they are now being vindicated. The human appendix, just in the last months, has been found to serve as a repository of friendly flora to keep the gut healthy. Similarly, seemingly useless “junk” DNA is increasingly being found to serve useful biological functions. For instance, James Shapiro and Richard Sternberg (2005) have provided a comprehensive overview of the functions of repetitive DNA–a classic type of junk DNA. Similarly, Roy Britten (2004) has outlined the functions of mobile genetic elements–another class of sequences long thought to be simply parasitic junk. In this case, ID has made potentially falsifiable predictions and neo-Darwinian theory has shown itself to be a science stopper.

(2) Many systems inside the cell represent nanotechnology at a scale and sophistication that dwarfs human engineering. Moreover, our ability to understand the structure and function of these systems depends directly on our facility with engineering principles (both in developing the instrumentation to study these systems and in analyzing what they do). Engineers have developed these principles by designing systems of their own, albeit much cruder than what we find inside the cell. Many of these cellular systems are literally machines: electro-mechanical machines, information-processing machines, signal-transduction machines, communication and transportation machines, etc. They are not just analogous to humanly built machines but, as mathematicians would say, isomorphic to them, that is, they capture all the essential features of machines. ID predicts that the cell would have such engineering features; by contrast, Darwinian theory has consistently underestimated the sophistication of the machinery inside the cell.

(3) Conservation of information results (also referred to as No Free Lunch theorems, which are well established in the engineering and mathematical literature — see www.EvoInfo.org) indicate that evolution requires an information source that imparts at least as much information to evolutionary processes as these processes in turn are capable of expressing. In consequence, such an information source (i) cannot be reduced to materialistic causes (e.g., natural selection), (ii) suggests that we live in an informationally open universe, and (iii) may reasonably be regarded as intelligent. The conservation of information counts as a positive theoretical reason to accept intelligent design and quantifies the informational hurdles that neo-Darwinian processes must overcome. Moreover, ID theorists have applied these results to actual biological systems to show that they are unevolvable by Darwinian means. ID has always predicted that there will be classes of biological systems for which Darwinian processes fail irremediably, and conservation of information is putting paid to this prediction.

Best wishes,
Bill Dembski

That is the sorriest shit I've ever read from someone who supposedly has 5 freaking degrees. Isn't one of his degrees something like philosophy of science. Do they not teach you what a freaking testable theory is in philosophy of science classes? Do they not teach you what a freaking prediction is?

The real laff howler is the RE-tard cultists at UD don't even know Demsbki is blowing smoke up their asses on these predictions.

UD is nothing but a room full of dumb asses. Well and a handful of covert operatives ;-)

Anyhow, kudos for finally getting William Dembski, PhD to publicly demonstrate intelligent design creationism has not a single prediction. Maybe that's because before you can make an idc prediction you need an idc theory ;-)

What dunces.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,09:54

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UD is nothing but a room full of dumb asses. Well and a handful of covert operatives ;-)

ahh but which is which? i would hate to know. ruin all of the fun and what-all.

From the tard:

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3) Conservation of information results (also referred to as No Free Lunch theorems, which are well established in the engineering and mathematical literature — see www.EvoInfo.org) indicate that evolution requires an information source that imparts at least as much information to evolutionary processes as these processes in turn are capable of expressing

Now, what could that information source possibly be? Particularly if we have found a quantitative metric for information*, as he claims, then Dembski is even wronger than ever before. Wes beat him on this one years ago.

*Of course, there is no such thing. At least not one that has any biological meaning or utility**, any different from counting the set of: measurements of mean chest hair length in 4 square centimeter patches on both Burt Reynolds and Loni Anderson, the number of threads on a four-inch pvc pipe underneath the Pope's toilet, the mass (in nanograms) of moondust in your average field of potatoes, and the total content of posts on OE and UD.

Enter non-positivist disclaimer about what we don't know***.

*** That still doesn't mean that up is down****.

**** Louis your gai. Damn your ass-tore-risks.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,10:15

We can - and should - email about this to:

KOlbermann@msnbc.com

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,10:21

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We can - and should - email about this to:

KOlbermann@msnbc.com

This is a Job for SUPER WES

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,10:25

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WHILST IT IS ~~PROBABLY~~ POSSIBLY A LANGUAGE IT LOOKS MADE UP DUE TO ITS VERY POOR CSI CONENT. ALSO, THIS NATION MIGHT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MOOMINS, WHICH SCARE THE CRAP OUTTA ME.*

*MOOMINS, IF YOUR READING: I HAS DOG. I HAS CHAINSORES. I HAS GUNS.

Salvador, on the other hand, loves Moomins because they believe in the Fludd, just like him.

P.S. Rich -- Your tardalogues are masterful, but you let your accent show on this one. No self-respecting redneck Texan would say "whilst", except when mocking a whingeing Pom.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,10:27

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 15 2008,10:25)

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 15 2008,08:01)

WHILST IT IS ~~PROBABLY~~ POSSIBLY A LANGUAGE IT LOOKS MADE UP DUE TO ITS VERY POOR CSI CONENT. ALSO, THIS NATION MIGHT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR MOOMINS, WHICH SCARE THE CRAP OUTTA ME.*

*MOOMINS, IF YOUR READING: I HAS DOG. I HAS CHAINSORES. I HAS GUNS.

Salvador, on the other hand, loves Moomins because they believe in the Fludd, just like him.

P.S. Rich -- Your tardalogues are masterful, but you let your accent show on this one. No self-respecting redneck Texan would say "whilst", except when mocking a whingeing Pom.

CHAINSORES makes up for it though.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,10:34

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 15 2008,10:27)

CHAINSORES makes up for it though.

Can't argue with that.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,10:36

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 15 2008,08:43)

WAD's "ID Predictions confirmed by researchers":

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William Dembski

02/14/2008

6:36 pm
Here’s what I had FTE’s PR people pass on to Keith Olbermann’s producer:

—————-

Dear SNIP,

Please pass the following examples of ID’s predictive prowess on to [Keith Olbermann’s producer]:

(1) ID predicts that although there will be occasional degeneration of biological structures (both macroscopic and microscopic), most structures will exhibit function and thus serve a purpose. Thus most organs should not be vestigial, and most DNA should not be “junk DNA.” ID proponents have been saying this from the start, and they are now being vindicated. The human appendix, just in the last months, has been found to serve as a repository of friendly flora to keep the gut healthy. Similarly, seemingly useless “junk” DNA is increasingly being found to serve useful biological functions. For instance, James Shapiro and Richard Sternberg (2005) have provided a comprehensive overview of the functions of repetitive DNA–a classic type of junk DNA. Similarly, Roy Britten (2004) has outlined the functions of mobile genetic elements–another class of sequences long thought to be simply parasitic junk. In this case, ID has made potentially falsifiable predictions and neo-Darwinian theory has shown itself to be a science stopper.

(2) Many systems inside the cell represent nanotechnology at a scale and sophistication that dwarfs human engineering. Moreover, our ability to understand the structure and function of these systems depends directly on our facility with engineering principles (both in developing the instrumentation to study these systems and in analyzing what they do). Engineers have developed these principles by designing systems of their own, albeit much cruder than what we find inside the cell. Many of these cellular systems are literally machines: electro-mechanical machines, information-processing machines, signal-transduction machines, communication and transportation machines, etc. They are not just analogous to humanly built machines but, as mathematicians would say, isomorphic to them, that is, they capture all the essential features of machines. ID predicts that the cell would have such engineering features; by contrast, Darwinian theory has consistently underestimated the sophistication of the machinery inside the cell.

(3) Conservation of information results (also referred to as No Free Lunch theorems, which are well established in the engineering and mathematical literature — see www.EvoInfo.org) indicate that evolution requires an information source that imparts at least as much information to evolutionary processes as these processes in turn are capable of expressing. In consequence, such an information source (i) cannot be reduced to materialistic causes (e.g., natural selection), (ii) suggests that we live in an informationally open universe, and (iii) may reasonably be regarded as intelligent. The conservation of information counts as a positive theoretical reason to accept intelligent design and quantifies the informational hurdles that neo-Darwinian processes must overcome. Moreover, ID theorists have applied these results to actual biological systems to show that they are unevolvable by Darwinian means. ID has always predicted that there will be classes of biological systems for which Darwinian processes fail irremediably, and conservation of information is putting paid to this prediction.

Best wishes,
Bill Dembski

That is the sorriest shit I've ever read from someone who supposedly has 5 freaking degrees. Isn't one of his degrees something like philosophy of science. Do they not teach you what a freaking testable theory is in philosophy of science classes? Do they not teach you what a freaking prediction is?

The real laff howler is the RE-tard cultists at UD don't even know Demsbki is blowing smoke up their asses on these predictions.

UD is nothing but a room full of dumb asses. Well and a handful of covert operatives ;-)

Anyhow, kudos for finally getting William Dembski, PhD to publicly demonstrate intelligent design creationism has not a single prediction. Maybe that's because before you can make an idc prediction you need an idc theory ;-)

What dunces.

I can’t believe Dembster forgot the SUN- Bigger than any nuclear reactor on earth, plus it cans have fusion, therefore DESIGN. Vainglory. Plus his mom is or was an art gallery owner. Dembski has lots of experience opening crates. ID is going to conquer the art world too, you know.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,10:42

Quote (keiths @ Feb. 15 2008,10:25)

P.S. Rich -- Your tardalogues are masterful, but you let your accent show on this one. No self-respecting redneck Texan would say "whilst", except when mocking a whingeing Pom.

Not that it means anything, but Dave is about as much a Texan as I am an Okie. We are both likely considered carpetbaggers as we both hail from Upstate New York. Bless our hearts!

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,11:27

DT waves his hands frantically, hoping to distract us from his behavior in mutating the link to PTET's blog documenting his true feelings about O'Bleary.

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Guilty as charged. I changed that one letter - a k to an h to make it difficult to see at a casual glance. But let’s look at how my design was detected.

We all know that bits can flip at random in computer data from various causes just like they can flip at random in DNA from various causes. This wasn’t a complex mutation. A single letter changed. Yet the Darwinist STILL made a design inference. That’s the power of specification. The mutation that occured (sic) was specified in that it served a purpose. In this case it served to make the offensive article inaccessable (sic) from Uncommon Descent. Even with a very small level of complexity to work with the commenter successfully employed the concept of CSI - complex specified information - and reached a correct design inference.

ID theory works! Even for Darwinists who hypocritically employ it without admitting it.

Of course he neglects to mention that knowledge of the motives of the designer was quite helpful in this instance of design detection. When you know that the designer (DT) has a history of behaving badly, it's pretty easy to detect his fingerprints in this case...

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,11:28

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A Darwinist Successfully Employs Design Detection!
DaveScot

In the thread I deleted “A Sterling Example of Anti-Religionists” one of the commenters noted that the URL linking to the offensive article had undergone a point mutation. One letter in it changed that made the link go somewhere else. He implied that this didn’t happen at random and that someone purposely changed it.

Guilty as charged. I changed that one letter - a k to an h to make it difficult to see at a casual glance. But let’s look at how my design was detected.

We all know that bits can flip at random in computer data from various causes just like they can flip at random in DNA from various causes. This wasn’t a complex mutation. A single letter changed. Yet the Darwinist STILL made a design inference. That’s the power of specification. The mutation that occured was specified in that it served a purpose. In this case it served to make the offensive article inaccessable from Uncommon Descent. Even with a very small level of complexity to work with the commenter successfully employed the concept of CSI - complex specified information - and reached a correct design inference.

ID theory works! Even for Darwinists who hypocritically employ it without admitting it.

Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this argument? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

I can't wait to see the tard that comes from the UD supporters on this post.

Countdown to the next meltdown... 10...

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,11:30

Quote (PTET @ Feb. 15 2008,11:28)

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A Darwinist Successfully Employs Design Detection!
DaveScot

In the thread I deleted “A Sterling Example of Anti-Religionists” one of the commenters noted that the URL linking to the offensive article had undergone a point mutation. One letter in it changed that made the link go somewhere else. He implied that this didn’t happen at random and that someone purposely changed it.

Guilty as charged. I changed that one letter - a k to an h to make it difficult to see at a casual glance. But let’s look at how my design was detected.

We all know that bits can flip at random in computer data from various causes just like they can flip at random in DNA from various causes. This wasn’t a complex mutation. A single letter changed. Yet the Darwinist STILL made a design inference. That’s the power of specification. The mutation that occured was specified in that it served a purpose. In this case it served to make the offensive article inaccessable from Uncommon Descent. Even with a very small level of complexity to work with the commenter successfully employed the concept of CSI - complex specified information - and reached a correct design inference.

ID theory works! Even for Darwinists who hypocritically employ it without admitting it.

Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this argument? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

I can't wait to see the tard that comes from the UD supporters on this post.

Countdown to the next meltdown... 10...

Yes - Davescot has a history of being a disingenuous revisionist prick.

It was a Tard inference, because we know the entity *very* well.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,11:35

His analogy would work a lot better if computers could reproduce, or if they at least flipped bits at random with greater frequency than Dave censors things. Bonus points for imagining a pair of computer towers having sex.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,11:45

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Plus it shows that mutations only can lead to a loss of information.

First comment.

I hope he's taking the piss. The changed letter could have led the tinyurl to a frikkin' Encyclopedia...

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,11:52

i'm pretty sure that leo is one of us. no design inference just a hunch. wait is there a difference? of course there is. let me rephrase this: I need leo stotch to be one of us or else there is no right and wrong. OK Now design inference, I haz it.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,11:54

My sock puppet skram left the following comment on that thread:

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Dave, in this case I made the inference because I knew the properties of the designer. I can specify which ones upon further request.

It might appear later but I'm not holding my breath.

ETA: And by the way, the thread with the mutation, which was already closed to new comments, has disappeared. Like, totally.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,12:04

Quote (PTET @ Feb. 15 2008,11:45)

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leo stotch
02/15/2008
12:29 pm

Plus it shows that mutations only can lead to a loss of information.

First comment.

I hope he's taking the piss. The changed letter could have led the tinyurl to a frikkin' Encyclopedia...

Indeed. Changing it from 2utukc to 2ufukc would get him this

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* Spam - Unsolicited Bulk E-mail
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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,12:06

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 15 2008,11:52)

i'm pretty sure that leo is one of us. no design inference just a hunch. wait is there a difference? of course there is. let me rephrase this: I need leo stotch to be one of us or else there is no right and wrong. OK Now design inference, I haz it.

Yeah, wasn't Leo Stotch responsible for the "at least until we know Denyse's middle name" gag?

If he's not one of us, it's only because he hasn't found us yet.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,12:27

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Feb. 15 2008,09:43)

WAD's "ID Predictions confirmed by researchers":

Quote

5

William Dembski

02/14/2008

6:36 pm
Here’s what I had FTE’s PR people pass on to Keith Olbermann’s producer:

—————-

Dear SNIP,

Please pass the following examples of ID’s predictive prowess on to [Keith Olbermann’s producer]:
{snip}
Best wishes,
Bill Dembski

That is the sorriest shit I've ever read from someone who supposedly has 5 freaking degrees. Isn't one of his degrees something like philosophy of science. Do they not teach you what a freaking testable theory is in philosophy of science classes? Do they not teach you what a freaking prediction is?

The real laff howler is the RE-tard cultists at UD don't even know Demsbki is blowing smoke up their asses on these predictions.

UD is nothing but a room full of dumb asses. Well and a handful of covert operatives ;-)

Anyhow, kudos for finally getting William Dembski, PhD to publicly demonstrate intelligent design creationism has not a single prediction. Maybe that's because before you can make an idc prediction you need an idc theory ;-)

What dunces.

I nominate Dembski for the award for lifetime achievement in acting like a Creationist in order to make them look stupid.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,12:31

A question for the group: Has this not been one of THE best UD weeks, ever?

If not THE best, it's gotta be in the top 5 all-time greatest moments in Tard. And the best thing about it is...

... they'll eventually do something to make this week pale in comparison.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,13:12

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A question for the group: Has this not been one of THE best UD weeks, ever?

If not THE best, it's gotta be in the top 5 all-time greatest moments in Tard. And the best thing about it is...

... they'll eventually do something to make this week pale in comparison.

Agreed. Just like the Biologic Institute, I've got no work done this week.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,13:31

Just a reminder, UD Watchers... don't slack up. Something big might happen today. I had just about given up, but I just received word that they're gonna try to make it happen.

Sorry to be cryptic... PM me for details.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,13:34

Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 15 2008,12:31)

A question for the group: Has this not been one of THE best UD weeks, ever?

If not THE best, it's gotta be in the top 5 all-time greatest moments in Tard. And the best thing about it is...

... they'll eventually do something to make this week pale in comparison.

The best week for sure, at least in my book. I wonder if Darwin day brought it all on? Maybe it was just too much for them.

Yeah this has been a real doozy of a week for the UD cult. They're all just jumping over one another to get to wear the "I'm an IDiot, kick me!" sign.

I love it so!

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,13:47

Alas, it's not meant to be.

I just got an email from someone at the Observer saying that while he was definitely down with it, the boss wasn't.

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Sorry, I wish I could help you more effectively--I agree, these guys are total apes. Maybe one day they'll evolve...

Had the plan gone through, this is the image that would have replaced the photo of Richard Dawkins on Uncommon Descent:

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,14:15

Quote (Mister DNA @ Feb. 15 2008,13:47)

Alas, it's not meant to be.

I just got an email from someone at the Observer saying that while he was definitely down with it, the boss wasn't.

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Sorry, I wish I could help you more effectively--I agree, these guys are total apes. Maybe one day they'll evolve...

Had the plan gone through, this is the image that would have replaced the photo of Richard Dawkins on Uncommon Descent:

Well, it is still a damn good week.

Yes, it would have been funny. Even funnier if you could have gotten one of the new Darwinista Big Science Fly-On-The-Wall ™ inside Dembski's ~~broom closet~~ office when he chanced to have it revealed to him, in all it's glory!

Priceless.

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,14:56

In all the excitement yesterday, this slipped right by us...
but not by Barret Brown, author of Flock Of Dodos.

Headline is:

The Second Law of Thermodynamics and You!

The post is on Daily KOS:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/14/113153/931/1000/456660

Cliff Notes: Spanks dlh and UD!

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,15:01

Quote (PTET @ Feb. 15 2008,10:28)

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A Darwinist Successfully Employs Design Detection!
DaveScot

In the thread I deleted “A Sterling Example of Anti-Religionists” one of the commenters noted that the URL linking to the offensive article had undergone a point mutation. One letter in it changed that made the link go somewhere else. He implied that this didn’t happen at random and that someone purposely changed it.

Guilty as charged. I changed that one letter - a k to an h to make it difficult to see at a casual glance. But let’s look at how my design was detected.

We all know that bits can flip at random in computer data from various causes just like they can flip at random in DNA from various causes. This wasn’t a complex mutation. A single letter changed. Yet the Darwinist STILL made a design inference. That’s the power of specification. The mutation that occured was specified in that it served a purpose. In this case it served to make the offensive article inaccessable from Uncommon Descent. Even with a very small level of complexity to work with the commenter successfully employed the concept of CSI - complex specified information - and reached a correct design inference.

ID theory works! Even for Darwinists who hypocritically employ it without admitting it.

Can anyone tell me what's wrong with this argument? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

I can't wait to see the tard that comes from the UD supporters on this post.

Countdown to the next meltdown... 10...

That, since we humans, having only human design as an analogy for their “design,” are good at eyeballing human design, especially in this case, which is definitely human design, DaveScot’s analogy circles back on itself to reveal that, in fact, “intelligent design” is just another instance of human design?

What do I win? A snowflake?

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,16:18

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Some Tard is already blaming the new tragic shootings in Chicago on Darwin:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-172116

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02/14/2008

8:20 pm
I am sad to report that there has been another school schooting. This time in northern Illinois.

I can’t help but think, that this is a symptom of our secular-nihilistic culture. Where Darwinian theory had undervalued human life.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/02/.....index.html

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PannenbergOmega

02/14/2008

8:21 pm
So when all you Darwinist Atheist types extol the virtues of non belief in God and attack Christians for outdated morality.

I guess you can see where this leads to tragically

It could be a Christian, we don't know yet...

Just in..

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Posted: Feb. 15 2008,17:30

IDISTS MAKE UP AWARD FOR EXPELLED:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....release

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15 February 2008
Ben Stein Wins Johnson Award for EXPELLED — press release
William Dembski
La Mirada, Calif. — Ben Stein, known for his lead role in the film Ferris Bueller’s Day Off and his Comedy Central show Win Ben Stein’s Money, believes in liberty and truth. In recognition of this, Biola University’s masters in science and religion program will present him with the 2008 Phillip E. Johnson Award for Liberty and Truth on March 27, a month before the release of his major controversial motion picture, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed.

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Phillip E. Johnson Award for Liberty and Truth? Is that like the Iraqi information ministry award for accurate reporting?

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