Albatrossity2
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| Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 29 2007,14:43) | And very interesting point there Hermagoras about if Dr Dr Dr Dembski has ever conceded anything substantive?
I have to wonder is it possible to even concede anything at all when trapped in that mindset? I mean, one thing goes for reason X, it's likely that reason X will also do for everything else too (wny not?) and the whole house of tards fall.
When you have the delete/ban button at your disposal, why even bother going to the trouble of reading your critics?
A little bit of politics now, but being surrounded by yes-men must sort of be like what GWB has been feeling. At some point reality intrudes however, and I understand that to have been this week. When will reality intrude for Dr Dr Dr Dembski I wonder? |
Good point. And the longer you insulate yourself from reality, the harder you will fall when that insulation deflates.
I've been thinking about this in the context of FtK. Clearly she believes what she says. Clearly she has put a lot of time and psychic energy into justifying those beliefs. I am not saying that this was time well spent, nor am I saying that she justified them with logic or evidence, but she has spent an inordinate amount of time propping them up. Just like Dembski. And lots of folks spent a fair amount of time and energy trying to get her to turn just one small corner, admit just one small uncertainty, or see just one small piece of evidence for the current explanation of the diversity of life on the planet. All for naught. But in hindsight, it should have been obvious that we were tilting at a windmill.
What are the prospects that anyone like that will ever see the light? If you have spent that much time and energy propping up a belief system, and if your surroundings (church, family, friends, sycophantic blog commenters) help you maintain that belief system, will you ever turn that corner? Maybe, but it gets less likely with every mole of ATP expended in defense of your belief system.
It might be almost impossible for someone like that to abandon a comfy, well-defended niche for anything like a scientific outlook. Certainty will have to be replaced with uncertainty. Ignorance will have to be replaced with knowledge. Friends and family and church members might still accept you, but "shunning" is still a viable strategy in many communities like that. It would take a very strong person to willingly start down that road, and an even stronger one to finish it. I don't think many folks could do it from the position that she has staked out for herself. Sadly, our efforts here may only have contributed to a further hardening of the defenses. If she ever does break out and "find science", it will be at a tremendous emotional cost. That is frankly very sad, either way.
As for DrD, he's made enough money from the scam that you can't really feel sorry for him.
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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
Has been obligated from the beginning
To create an ordered universe
As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
- Pattiann Rogers
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You apparently missed the beginning of the joke at Ichy's goodbye thread. But now you must battle Louis.
