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rafe gutman



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2004,16:49   

advocates of Intelligent Design often hold seminars and conferences to present their arguments to the public.  some of these seminars are held in churches or community centers, but a sizeable number of them take place in well-respected research institutions.  this does not require the endorsement of the institution itself (or i think even their knowledge of what the event is about), as any university club can book a room on campus for their events.  however, through clever word play, IDists can give the appearance that their position is officially acknowledged.

for example, this announcement was posted on ARN, under the title, "Dembski at UC-Davis":
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William Dembski
Lecture: "Detecting Design in Biological Systems"

Friday, 16 January 2004
7:30 PM
194 Chemistry Building
University of California, Davis


as is, it seems pretty innocuous, although the choice to present it in a building named after an entire field of science, and the title of his talk, leave the impression that somehow this talk is affiliated with the chemistry department of UC davis.  however, there's no overt deception here.

but who is sponsoring the talk?  not the chemistry or biology departments, but the grace valley christian center under the "faith and reason" seminar series whose express purpose is to:
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The Faith and Reason series seeks to bring eminent scientists, logicians, and theologians to Davis to
speak on issues regarding the proper relationship between human reason and vital Christian faith.

The purpose of this series is to demonstrate that the Christian worldview correctly defines ultimate
reality and is consistent with all that is known about the world through the proper application of
logic and the scientific method.


although i think it would have been fairer had the poster of this event mentioned who was sponsoring it, i don't think he was trying to be deceptive.  but when an ID critic did mention who the sponsor was, they were immediately accused of trying to dismiss the talk as religiously-motivated.  look how one IDist responded:

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I suppose that in your perspective there's no overlap between the 'scientific' and 'religious'. So by saying the talk has a 'religious goal', it's automatically not a scientific goal or a scientific talk, even though given in a science department of a major university.


and so now we see the strategy come full circle.  while there was no attempt by the original poster (or the sponsors of the talk) to imply that the talk was endorsed by either UC davis or its biology or chemistry departments, the net effect is that people come away with the impression that the talk is endorsed by those groups.



i'd like this thread to be a place where people can cut and paste examples like these.  so if you see a flyer or website for an ID-related event at a university, where the language implies that the university endorses ID, feel free to post it here.  i'd also like to see examples where IDists post comments like the one above, mistakenly interpreting the location of an ID event at a university for the university's endorsement of it.

  
rafe gutman



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2004,16:57   

here is another example:  in this ARN thread, an IDist, when challenged to provide examples of actual ID teaching material, responded:

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Since you've been begging for a lesson plan, here is one that got taught at the University of Minnesota.

[omitted picture of professor under the following title]
Distinguished Professor of Chemistry

Chris Macosko who taught an ID seminar at the University of Minnesota

WHAT! AN ID SEMINAR AT A SECULAR UNIVERSITY!!!! Oh no, he succumbed to Wedgie indoctrination. Creationisms Trojan Horse deluded a real scientist, a distinguised professor. Forrest and Gross are right, the sky is falling and the IDers are making credible arguments. What's this world coming to.


however, an ID critic responded:
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for the record Macosko's lecture was not "taught at the University of Minnesota" - it was presented at the Darwin, Design, and Democracy conference (DDD4) sponsored by the Intelligent Design network and the MacLaurin Institute, "A Christian study center at the University of Minnesota: Bringing God into the marketplace of ideas by communicating the Christian worldview with its transforming potential."

DDD4 was held on the University of Minnesota campus, but it was not an academic event held under the auspices of the university itself.


Edited by rafe gutman on Feb. 07 2004,16:58

  
rafe gutman



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2004,17:17   

okay, one more for now.  

UCSD's IDEA club (intelligent design education and awareness) had a guest speaker come give an alternative theory of human evolution.  while i have no problem with the flier that advertised the event, on the IDEA club website the following screen shot, taken from UCSD's homepage, was displayed:


the red markings on the screen shot were from the IDEA club.

Edited by rafe gutman on Feb. 07 2004,17:20

  
Tom Ames



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 07 2004,22:05   

Hi Rafe,

Good idea for a thread, but I think it should be called:

ID seminars "at" prestigious universities. This as in

"Dembski's seminar was 'at' the prestigious UC Davis, just as ISCID's office is 'at' 66 Witherspoon Street.

Technically true.

Accuracy demands a clarification of the Chris Macosko seminar alluded to by the ARN respondent. Macosko may have given a DDD4 lecture, but this is possibly not what the ARNie meant. According to Forrest & Gross (p.302-303) Chris Macosko taught a freshman honors colloquium titled "Origins: by chance or design?" in 1999 and 2001. This was a for-credit course, although it was outside the bounds of the normal curriculum programming.

Chris and his son Jed taught a similar class at Berkeley.

(F&G is HIGHLY recommended BTW. I couldn't put it down, and I find it invaluable as a fact-checking manual for the claims of IDists.)

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-Tom Ames

  
rafe gutman



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2004,16:32   

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tom:
Accuracy demands a clarification of the Chris Macosko seminar alluded to by the ARN respondent. Macosko may have given a DDD4 lecture, but this is possibly not what the ARNie meant. According to Forrest & Gross (p.302-303) Chris Macosko taught a freshman honors colloquium titled "Origins: by chance or design?" in 1999 and 2001. This was a for-credit course, although it was outside the bounds of the normal curriculum programming.


my mistake.  i found the link that refers to the colloquium.  i recant that example.

interestingly, in the kiosk article that discusses the class, there's no mention of intelligent design at all.  i wonder if ID was even discussed in the class.  if so, i'd like to see what material they actually taught.  

(i'll keep the example up so people will know what the heck we're talking about)

p.s.  you're right about the title.  when i figure out how to edit titles i'll change it.  serves me right for writing this over lunch.

  
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