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|i guess all those fishery managers who enforce catch limits on walleyes and saugers are just being assholes. since they can interbreed, according to Jimmy Ray Humpsniff, they aren't different species after all. and he has obviously never met a fucking botanist|
Tell me Cletus why haven't you straightened all these poor deluded people out, since you obviously know more about speciation than the people who wrote the damned book?
Somebody called for a botanist?
Jerry, ever heard of hybrid swarms? What about heterostyly* (e.g. dimorphic pin and thrum flowers) in vascular plants that leads to breeding incompatibility between morphs in the same species. Can you explain how these observations fit into your definition of a species and speciation?
* When reminding myself of the proper term via a bit of googling, I came across the following reference:
Darwin, Charles 1862. On the two forms, or dimorphic condition, in the species of Primula, and on their remarkable sexual relations. Journal of the Proceedings of the Linnaean Society (Botany) 6, 77–96.
Is there anything that guy didn't know at least something about?
No, sorry...I'm not familiar with those concepts.
Perhaps you could explain them and elucidate how you feel they might negatively affect my musings thus far.
IOW, what have I said that those concepts show to be wrong? I've got an open mind.......
They negatively affect this musing, Jerry:
|You're attempting to use a scenario where there is no clear boundary of change to represent a situation where there most certainly is one.|
Where are the clear boundaries of change in a hybrid swarm?
Now why don't you bring an argument to that effect?
1) Explain what a hybred storm is to the readers.
2) explain how whatever it is in that concept that you believe influenced common descent from protist to mammal, did so.
3) Finally, does this nullify my argment? How?
Sheeze, It's like pulling chicken teeth to get a rational argument out of you people.
1) Look it up. Well, look up "hybrid swarm". I've no idea what a "hybred storm" is. The Wikipedia description is quite succinct, and even someone as lazy as yourself should be able to get through it.
2) Oy, Jerry! Where are you going with those goalposts?
3) Hybrid swarms (and ring species) nullify your argument that there are rigid distinctions between species. They falsify your claim that speciation must involve an organism having offspring which are of a different species.
As I mentioned earlier, you can support your claim by identifying the clear boundaries within the herring gull ring species. Or in any of the others. I'm not bothered.
Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it.
- Robert Byers