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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2012,10:45   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 02 2012,10:11)
         
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,17:38)
See, for me there is no real way to separate the two. They are part and parcel of the same thing. Of course, I can't speak for anyone but me, but there y'go.

fair enough it wasn't very clear anyway LOL


I think it was probably me that was being unclear.

         
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,17:38)
See, for me there is no real way to separate the two. They are part and parcel of the same thing. Of course, I can't speak for anyone but me, but there y'go.


For me, in my life, they came together as a package. That makes it very hard for me to wrap my head around one without the other. I don't get the point of positing a hands-off deity. I get that some people do it, I sort of passed that way on my way to where I am, but I don't understand why they linger there. For me, in my life straight-up atheism is a natural conclusion of a process. Stopping half-way was just not tenable, anymore than stopping a rollercoaster half-way down the first big hill. Can it be done? Sure. But why would I do that?

The idea of a deity, most especially the Christian one since that's the one we deal with, comes with baggage: namely intervention in the natural world. Seems to me that there are four options for him. 1) He intervenes detectably. 2) He intervenes undetectably. 3) He doesn't intervene. 4) He doesn't exist. Functionally,options 2, 3, and 4 are equivalent. If Yahweh intervenes detectably in the natural world, why can't we detect him? If not, he's superfluous. "I have no need of that hypothesis," as it were.

         
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 02 2012,10:11)
but thinking about how you answer "are theistic evolutionists* creationists?" might explain how one might view the de-tard spectrum differently than another.


I suppose, in a very extended sense, I'd regard TE and/or deism as forms of creationism in an esoteric philosophical discussion over wine and crackers, but not in the vernacular sense that we use it here. I would certainly not file either of those under T.A.R.D..

       
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 02 2012,10:11)
I don't really know many "theistic evolutionists" but I do know a few.


     
Quote (Lou FCD @ Oct. 01 2012,16:27)
     
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 01 2012,16:25)
Don't you know many people with religious beliefs that are not creationists, under your definition of creationist?

No.


To elaborate and clarify the answer I gave to the question you posed, I just don't know many devotees of TE or deism. One, IRL, as far as I know, and even that one is a guess based on the fact that I heard him mention once that he took his family to church.

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Oct. 02 2012,10:11)
*i know there is no meaningful answer to this so i am not looking to fap about it

I, on the other hand, am always up for a good arm-chair philosophical wank over the aforementioned wine and crackers (preferably, with cheese). I don't get out much.

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