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|Quote (Southstar @ Nov. 08 2011,09:51)|
|Yes i'm quite sure he's attempting the "bury them with bullshit" strategy. Unfortunaly my knowlege of molecular biology is not suffiscient to fight back on even grounds.|
I thought I'd ask a list of basic claims he could make against evolution.
That way I could take hime down one at a time.
Thanks guys your all great!
Remember, the science is well understood.
They MUST support their position. That is all. Remind them and keep reminding them that
"Even if they totally discredit evolution, right now... it still doesn't mean creationism or anything else is correct. Only positive supporting evidence will do that." Then ask them where their positive supporting evidence is. Ask what their research program is. Ask what products their stripe of creationism has produced.
I predict you will be banned in no time.
Then just tell your friend that they obviously can't handle real discussion, therefore you must assume that they have nothing.
Yes I expect to be banned soon, however since alot of people are begining to think somethings up. I expect they need to beat me up first.
Just remember... offense is the best defense.
The science is decided. There are no legitimate scientists on the other side of the fence. Not really.
Demand that they give you all the details you are demanding from them.
HLA-A alleles are a good start. Read about them here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....-A
If everyone says, "That's OK, that's just microevolution." Then introduce them to the concept of clines (ring species): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....species
Brief summary: A ring species (or cline) is when you have a series of very closely related species that share some (usually geographical) thing between only two members of the ring.
Say moving from North to South, you have
A - B - C - D - E - F - G - H
Now A and B can interbreed. A and C can interbreed. B can interbreed with A, C, and D. C can interbreed with A,B,D and E.
But none of A, B, or C can interbreed with G or H. Yet H can interbreed with F, which can interbreed with D, which can interbreed with B.
The entire point is that A and H are totally not the same species. Without B--G, then A and H might even be different genuses. But with B--G, where can we draw the line between species?
We can't, in a simple and easy manner, which is about all the creationists can handle.
Life is squishy. It's not cut and dried like physics or chemistry. And a lot of the things that we hold to be true are just made up artifacts and do not always correctly represent reality.
Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims.