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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 11 2019,13:45   

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More JokeScience:

ID has definitely determined Design in biological life but ID scientists can't do any research until Design in biological life is determined.

Wrong, moron. The ID science is in the detection and STUDY of the design.


ID SCIENTISTS STUDY DESIGN:

Again, ID will gladly take the Pepsi challenge against the shit you have for "science".

you YEC science pusher?  Will your YEC science take the challenge too?

And yes, YEC will also gladly go against materialism, which is a total brain-fart non-starter.

Why don't you do a YEC science vs. ID science?  


As for ID vs YEC-> as I have said all along YEC is a subset of ID.


Let's compare:

ID = no predictions, no evidence, no testable hypotheses.

Liar.

ID predicts that there is more to living organisms than what physics and chemistry can explain/ account for. That is one more prediction than timmy's position has.

The evidence for ID has been presented. Your ignorance is not an argument.

The Definitive Evidence for Intelligent Design that evos are too chickenshit to address

The architecture and subunit composition of ATP synthase

If you take a look at ATP synthase you can see it consists of two major subunits (F0 & F1) that are connected together by an external tether. This tether doesn't have anything to do with the functionality of either subunit but without it no ATP synthase. The problem for evolution by blind and mindless processes is exacerbated. Not only does it need to produce the two subunits but one has to be embedded in some membrane so that a gradient can be formed. And the other has to to be stably tethered to the membrane the proper distance away. The tether looks like the membrane subunit F0 somehow formed an external docking site the proper length with F1 forming an external mating site.

Again these two different protein subunits, the tether and mate, have nothing to do with the function of the protein complexes they are attached to and tether together. And without them there is no way to get the two working subunits together to produce ATP.

There you have it- A simple external tether that stably holds the major F1 subunit/ rotary motor the proper distance away from its F0 motor force is evidence for the Intelligent Design of ATP synthase. The two major subunits and how it works is just icing on the cake.


The testable hypotheses have also been presented.

ID is based on three premises and the inference that follows (DeWolf et al., Darwinism, Design and Public Education, pg. 92):



1) High information content (or specified complexity) and irreducible complexity constitute strong indicators or hallmarks of (past) intelligent design.

2) Biological systems have a high information content (or specified complexity) and utilize subsystems that manifest irreducible complexity.

3) Naturalistic mechanisms or undirected causes do not suffice to explain the origin of information (specified complexity) or irreducible complexity.

4) Therefore, intelligent design constitutes the best explanations for the origin of information and irreducible complexity in biological systems.

That is by far more than timmy's side has

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Chromosomes. are. all. connected. It is one long polymer. Called the DNA. - oleg t

simple English (hint: "equal" and "interchangeable" aren't synonyms)- JohnW

"Genetic mutations are mistakes"- evolutionary biology

"Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"- Intelligent Design and Timothy Horton

   
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