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|This is because the New Testament documents are better-preserved and more numerous than any other ancient writings.|
Actually not a scrap of any original manuscript exists (or is known to exist).
I could be wrong, but I believe the oldest manuscript dealing with Jesus is the Gospel of Thomas, which is Gnostic in tone.
Perhaps god preserved it so we would know it is the most reliable history of Jesus.
Apologists: old = original
Oh yeah, I keep forgetting (because the fundies won't even discuss) the whole concept of the gnostics and the mysteries.
Oh man, what Paul did to the religion of Jesus.
"old = original"
Strawman. That is not stated at all. If you read it thoroughly, it states specifically why the Bible is the most reliable manuscript of antiquity. It says nothing about whether we have the original works...we don't, and no one claims to. But, we have *very* old fragments to base our claims of reliability upon.
It also proves how accurately the documents have been copied throughout generations. Also, if you had destroyed all of the Bible. The early Christian church fathers combined have quoted it almost in it's entirety. Just another interesting tidbit.
The significance of the dates on the chart are worth note.
Read for content and meaning rather than throw up something that is not mentioned and act as if that is what is being claimed.
Accuracy has nothing to do with how true something is. Also, we only have accuracy to the earliest manuscripts, and even then there are many scribal errors and additions (the adulteress in John, I believe, comes to mind). Given the history and the way the Church took over the preservation of knowledge (as well as it's destruction), why wouldn't there be a lot of bibles around?
Again, that says nothing about its accuracy - its relationship to reality. I can bet that there are a lot of copies of early comic books - does that mean that Peter Parker existed? Will future woo-merchants look back on ancient comics and wonder at our religion that worshipped a wall-crawling human? He certainly was persecuted enough.
The earliest document we have is a scrap - P52, I think - that dates to maybe the second century (?). I'm not clear on it from memory. It's a fragment of what we now know as John. I don't think it has any name associated with it other than the later one we gave it.
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