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Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: July 12 2008,19:53   

Quote (Dr.GH @ July 12 2008,19:40)
Quote (keiths @ July 12 2008,14:05)
The reaction of believers to perceived "blasphemy" or "desecration" has long fascinated me.
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Other believers might concede that their God is unharmed by blasphemy, but complain that they are personally offended by having their beliefs mocked.  To them I would point out the following:

1. Some people think your beliefs (whatever they are) are ridiculous whether they say so or not.  Get used to it.  If you interpret silence as tacit agreement, you are mistaken.

2. People have every right to believe in magic crackers, that Rev. Moon is God, that Xenu was our galactic overlord, or that John Frum will return to the islands with lots of cargo.  They don't have the right to compel the rest of us to regard these beliefs as anything but risible, or to force us to mute our disdain.

Does that distain allow you to disrupt a religious observance? Does that distain allow you to take church property?

Plus, I also wonder about the predictable reaction of believers- is it incitement to mess with their rituals?

Let's imagine that there is a child's birthday party in a public park- The family is deeply religious and they have their eyes closed in prayer.  You are more wise than they are and so you dump the birthday cake on the ground.

You get arrested.  It is as simple as that.  If you get a good ass kicking resisting arrest, few courts would probably bother prosecuting the family members.

How is accepting a cracker then sitting down disrupting a religious observance.  In the original, the priest and other fanatics caused the disruption.  The priest gave the wafer to the kid, it is not their property anymore.  I'd like to see that one go to court.

I've never seen anyone react violently to something like that, so I doubt that fanatical attacks is considered predictable.  Considering that most states have reasonable force laws or definitions for crimes, physically restraining someone for not eating a wafer does not seem to me to constitute, in any sense, reasonable force - since no force seems justified.

If the priest and others want to be offended, then so be it.  That gives them no right for assault.

Your birthday party is a nice strawman, since that is not the same.  Consider that the family gives you a piece of that cake, and you do not eat it, but instead decide to take it home.

Does the family have the right to stop you, to physically try to restrain you and force you to give back the cupcake, to demand for an apology, to ask for police protection for the cupcakes so they make sure that everyone eats theirs at the party?

Priorities.  They need to get some.

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