keiths
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Clive "defends" his moderation decisions. Cross-posted from the Uncommonly Dense thread:
| Quote (keiths @ June 03 2009,17:41) | A corollary of Poes' Law is that it's often impossible to tell whether an ID supporter is being stupid or just dishonest. This is well illustrated by Clive's "defense" of his moderation decisions on two threads at UD (link, link). At first I thought he was just lying in order to avoid to save face, but then I noticed that he still doesn't understand how to use blockquotes, that he misses the point even when it's not to his advantage to do so, and that he produces locutions such as "Why would you be asking jerry a question I made about moderation?" The needle swung back sharply to "Stupid". In the end, I concluded that he is both stupid and dishonest. After reading the following, I think you'll agree:
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Alan Fox
05/30/2009
3:31 am
Jerry,
Why doesn’t Bob O’Hara post here any more? It is simply because he can’t. Ask Clive, he will confirm it.
He is far from the only one.
Why do you never venture to other sites where evolutionary biologists might dispute your assertion “that there is no evidence for macro evolution”? |
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Clive Hayden
05/30/2009
6:59 pm
Alan Fox,
——”Jerry,
Why doesn’t Bob O’Hara post here any more? It is simply because he can’t. Ask Clive, he will confirm it.”
Why would you be asking Jerry a question that I made about moderation? |
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Clive Hayden
06/01/2009
12:53 am
Diffaxial,
——”No one is going to observe anything corresponding to those definitional cow pies.”
——”I’m still waiting, your hard blowing notwithstanding.”
This is why I put you in moderation. |
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serendipity
06/01/2009
2:40 am
Clive,
By what standard do Diffaxial’s comments merit the imposition of moderation if the following insults by Upright Biped (all of which come from a single comment) do not?
| Quote | | So if you are, perhaps, a slow learner or have difficulty with modest conceptualizations… given your pompous certainty… I apologize for not being more empathetic to any special needs you might have… I simply assumed that you were just another materialist bigot… I am more than willing to slow down for you. |
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Alan Fox
06/01/2009
10:34 am
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Clive Hayden
05/30/2009
6:59 pm wrote:
Alan Fox,
——”Jerry,
Why doesn’t Bob O’Hara post here any more? It is simply because he can’t. Ask Clive, he will confirm it.”
Why would you be asking Jerry a question that I made about moderation? |
I was pointing out to Jerry, who seemed unaware of the fact, that Bob O’Hara no longer posts here because he is banned.
If you recall, you refused to rescind the ban, notwithstanding Barry Arrington’s new moderation policy because you said Bob had been rude about UD at AtBC. I searched, but couldn’t find a post of Bob’s that was insulting to individuals, and wondered if you could give an example. You refused, claiming to be too busy.
Hope that clarifies my previous comment. |
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Clive Hayden
06/01/2009
6:09 pm
Alan Fox,
I didn’t claim to be too busy to answer you about Bob O’Hara. You can look through his threads over at AtBC same as I can. |
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serendipity
06/01/2009
6:32 pm
Clive,
According to Barry Arrington, comments made on other blogs do not disqualify a person from commenting here at UD:
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Barry Arrington
03/13/2009
10:41 pm
CannuckianYankee writes:
“I’m just wondering Clive, Let’s say a person such as, oh, PZ Meyers wanted to post here and he kept his language cordial and non-insulting, would he be welcome to post? I would be interested in reading what he has to say without all the hyperbole that is a part of his language in his own blog. I might enjoy seeing how others here would challenge him.”
I’ll answer that. If PZ — or anyone else — came here and minded his manners, he would be more than welcome. I’m not holding my breath though, because PZ does not appear to be able to rise above adolescent name calling. |
According to Barry, Bob O’H is “more than welcome” as long as he “minds his manners” here.
Are you overriding Barry’s stated policy? If so, then on what basis? |
| Quote | serendipity,
The moderation policy as stated by Barry is consistently being applied by me, for it pertains to the particular circumstances of what constitutes someone being “moderated” for someone who already posts here, or may come to post here anew. But there is a difference in what constitutes placing someone in “moderation” who already posts here freely, and what constitutes taking someone off the blacklisted list. In Bob O’Hara’s case, he’s not “moderated”, for he’s already been blacklisted in the past. I can re-examine whether he should be taken off the blacklisted status, which was not enumerated by Barry at all, notice. And on that score, what he said at AtBC tells me that I should not take him off the blacklisted status, for such disrespect would likely be perpetuated here. Notice, on this account of what constitutes taking someone off the blacklisted status, was not at all mentioned by Barry, thus, I am not inconsistent with the moderation policy.
As far as “moderating” Diffaxial, his comments did deserve a placement in moderation. You’re welcome to point me to others whom you feel deserve to also be placed in moderation status, and I will consider it. |
| Quote | Clive Hayden writes:
| Quote | | The moderation policy as stated by Barry is consistently being applied by me…But there is a difference in what constitutes placing someone in “moderation” who already posts here freely, and what constitutes taking someone off the blacklisted list. In Bob O’Hara’s case, he’s not “moderated”, for he’s already been blacklisted in the past. |
Clive,
Barry’s stated moderation policy makes no such distinction:
| Quote | | I’ll answer that. If PZ — or anyone else — came here and minded his manners, he would be more than welcome. I’m not holding my breath though, because PZ does not appear to be able to rise above adolescent name calling. |
Note that “anyone else” is welcome. No qualification; no “unless they’ve been blacklisted”.
| Quote | | And on that score, what he said at AtBC tells me that I should not take him off the blacklisted status, for such disrespect would likely be perpetuated here. |
Your prognostications are irrelevant. The policy states that “anyone else” is “more than welcome”. It does not say “unless the moderator suspects that disrespect will ‘likely’ occur.”
| Quote | | As far as “moderating” Diffaxial, his comments did deserve a placement in moderation. |
If they did, then so did Upright Biped’s (and the comments of many others on this blog). Since you have evidently given the others the benefit of the doubt and left them out of moderation, I recommend that you equalize the situation by removing Diffaxial from moderation as well. |
| Quote | serendipity,
——”Barry’s stated moderation policy makes no such distinction:”
Which was exactly my point, it doesn’t even speak to taking someone off the blacklisted list. Tell me, oh serendipity, what Barry’s criteria is for taking someone off that list who has already been banned? Hmmm? |
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| Quote | | Which was exactly my point, it doesn’t even speak to taking someone off the blacklisted list. |
Exactly. Instead, it says that “PZ — or anyone else” is “more than welcome”:
| Quote | | I’ll answer that. If PZ — or anyone else — came here and minded his manners, he would be more than welcome. |
Let me know when you’ve located the phrase “unless they have been blacklisted” in the passage above. I have been through it word by word and I’m quite sure that it’s not there. |
| Quote | serendipity,
——”Let me know when you’ve located the phrase “unless they have been blacklisted” in the passage above. I have been through it word by word and I’m quite sure that it’s not there.”
Exactly right. |
| Quote | | I’m glad you agree. When will you be removing Bob O’H from the blacklist? |
| Quote | serendipity,
——”I’m glad you agree. When will you be removing Bob O’H from the blacklist?”
Not until you explain what constitutes taking someone off the blacklist from Barry’s stated moderation policy. |
| Quote | Clive,
Barry’s policy doesn’t mention people who are blacklisted. It also doesn’t mention Methodists, women and amputees.
By your faulty logic, you should conclude that Methodists, women and amputees aren’t welcome at UD.
Now do you see your mistake? |
| Quote | Serendipity,
No, I don’t see a mistake because there is no mistake. Being an amputee, Methodist, or a woman is not what got ol’ Bob O’H blacklisted, and neither will being any of those things get him out of being blacklisted. I’m still waiting for your knowledge of what is required to remove someone from that list. |
It's like talking to a rock. A dishonest rock. |
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