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|Quote (The whole truth @ June 06 2012,01:38)|
|Badger, I read again what you said and I may understand it better now. When you said...|
"If people saying mean things on the internet is the worst problem you have, then you're lucky. I think that's the point TWT is trying to make (I may be wrong, correct me if I am).
Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that you were thinking of the 'shitstorm' response she has received on the internet and that my comment about there being bigger fish to fry than protecting her sensibilities applied to that; in other words that there are bigger fish to fry than protecting her sensibilities from "mean" internet comments.
As I tried to explain last night (but probably didn't say very well) (Is lack of sleep a good excuse?) I was thinking more along the lines of there being bigger fish to fry than protecting RW's fragile sensibilities from a guy allegedly asking her a face to face, harmless question, but it could be applied to what has happened on the internet too, at least in the sense that there are bigger fish to fry than protecting her fragile sensibilities from a face to face, harmless question and/or "mean" comments on the internet, especially when the scale of 'protecting her fragile sensibilities' has been magnified to a ridiculous level by certain people, such as PZ Meyers. If a guy asking her a harmless question or if people saying "mean" things to her on the internet are the worst things that have ever happened to her, then yeah, she has been very lucky.
So, you weren't necessarily wrong in your interpretation of my point, since all the thoughts that I just tried to express above were surely in my mind at the time, along with the thought that "mean" comments that have been directed at her on the internet would never have occurred if she hadn't made the alleged incident public and handled the whole thing so poorly since then, and from what I've seen in this thread and elsewhere it appears that she and others who are on her side have made some comments on the internet that should be expected to piss people off and attract some "mean" responses.
It's amazing that such a trivial, alleged incident can turn into such a big stink.
Just so that no one misunderstands me I do want to add, as I said before, that I haven't seen any rape threats or similarly over the top comments directed at her and I certainly don't condone that sort of thing. However, putting comments like that aside for the moment, I feel that she has brought the "shitstorm" upon herself, and is continuing to do so, and that some other people are also responsible for attracting the negativity that's aimed at her.
ETA: corrected a spelling error.
Basically you have it. I'm sure some may consider me clueless (oh well) but I've had friends (and students, under-age at the time) who were threatened with real rape (actual, physical, in-your-face) and death, and some who were victims of rape. A "threat" on the internet - sorry, I can't get worked up about that. That's like Joe's "threats" to beat people up. If we have evidence that it is going beyond that, then ok, but....
I've been threatened with assault, both from people in the bars I used to frequent (it happens, threat taken seriously) and from my students (usually when they've been written up and are being escorted from the room) - and the latter, while being aware of the possibility, were not treated anywhere close to the same thing as the former. Scale. Perspective. Tolerance.
Maybe it is wrong that we (some of us) accept these things as the price of life and living in society where we don't have thought police, or even "better" indoctrination in one viewpoint. We accept verbal abuse because it's related to our freedoms - at least that's the way I look at it. Doesn't mean we don't try to educate people, try to get them to understand, but we can't force them, and we can't let every little thing get to us. If I received hate mail, that's what the delete button is for.
"Just think if every species had a different genetic code We would have to eat other humans to survive.." : Joe G