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Tom Ames

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2010,16:23   

Quote (Joy @ Feb. 19 2010,13:31)
But the relative 'morality' of any given culture in any period of time doesn't magically determine whether or not self-consciousness and self-determination exist. It seems to me that all self-aware (conscious) humans who choose their actions - 'right' or 'wrong' in the culture's view - directly experience the existence of consciousness and self-determination.

I agree with your first sentence. But I think your second sentence essentially says: "All conscious beings who choose their actions experience choice", which to me sounds circular. Furthermore, it elides the differences between consciousness (as awareness) and agency or self-determination (see my post above).

We may be fully conscious and self aware and it STILL may be the case that free will is an illusion.

(And as you say, moral culpability is irrelevant to that question.)

-Tom Ames

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